I'm using Redis as a simple pubsub broker, managed by the redis-py library, using just the default 'main' channel. Is there a technique, in either Redis itself or the wrapping Python library to count the number of messages in this queue? I don't have deeper conceptual knowledge of Redis (in particular how it implements broker functionality) so am not sure if such a question makes sense
Exact counts, lock avoidance etc. is not necessary; I only need to check periodically (on the order of minutes) whether this queue is empty
Redis Pub/Sub doesn't hold any internal queues of messages see - https://redis.io/topics/pubsub.
If you need a more queue based publish mechanism you might to check Redis Streams. Redis Streams provides two methods that might help you XLEN and XINFO.
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I have a question related to a tricky situation in an event-driven system that I want to ask for advise. Here is the situation:
In our system, I use redis as a memcached database, and kafkaa as message queues. To increase the performance of redis, I use lua scripting to process data, and at the same time, push events into a blocking list of redis. Then there will be a process to pick redis events in that blocking list and move them to kafka. So in this process, there are 3 steps:
1) Read events from redis list
2) Produce in batch into kafka
3) Delete corresponding events in redis
Unfortunately, if the process dies between 2 and 3, meaning that after producing all events into kafka, it doesn't delete corresponding events in redis, then after that process is restarted, it will produce duplicated events into kafka, which is unacceptable. So does any one has any solution for this problem. Thanks in advance, I really appreciate it.
Kafka is prone to reprocess events, even if written exactly once. Reprocessing will almost certainly be caused by rebalancing clients. Rebalancing might be triggered by:
Modification of partitions on a topic.
Redeployment of servers and subsequent temporary unavailabilty of clients.
Slow message consumption and subsequent recreation of client by the broker.
In other words, if you need to be sure that messages are processed exactly once, you need to insure that at the client. You could do so, by setting a partition key that ensures related messages are consumed in a sequential fashion by the same client. This client could then maintain a databased record of what he has already processed.
Redis team introduce new Streams data type for Redis 5.0. Since Streams looks like Kafka topics from first view it seems difficult to find real world examples for using it.
In streams intro we have comparison with Kafka streams:
Runtime consumer groups handling. For example, if one of three consumers fails permanently, Redis will continue to serve first and second because now we would have just two logical partitions (consumers).
Redis streams much faster. They stored and operated from memory so this one is as is case.
We have some project with Kafka, RabbitMq and NATS. Now we are deep look into Redis stream to trying using it as "pre kafka cache" and in some case as Kafka/NATS alternative. The most critical point right now is replication:
Store all data in memory with AOF replication.
By default the asynchronous replication will not guarantee that XADD commands or consumer groups state changes are replicated: after a failover something can be missing depending on the ability of followers to receive the data from the master. This one looks like point to kill any interest to try streams in high load.
Redis failover process as operated by Sentinel or Redis Cluster performs only a best effort check to failover to the follower which is the most updated, and under certain specific failures may promote a follower that lacks some data.
And the cap strategy. The real "capped resource" with Redis Streams is memory, so it's not really so important how many items you want to store or which capped strategy you are using. So each time you consumer fails you would get peak memory consumption or message lost with cap.
We use Kafka as RTB bidder frontend which handle ~1,100,000 messages per second with ~120 bytes payload. With Redis we have ~170 mb/sec memory consumption on write and with 512 gb RAM server we have write "reserve" for ~50 minutes of data. So if processing system would be offline for this time we would crash.
Could you please tell more about Redis Streams usage in real world and may be some cases you try to use it themself? Or may be Redis Streams could be used with not big amount of data?
long time no see. This feels like a discussion that belongs in the redis-db mailing list, but the use case sounds fascinating.
Note that Redis Streams are not intended to be a Kafka replacement - they provide different properties and capabilities despite the similarities. You are of course correct with regards to the asynchronous nature of replication. As for scaling the amount of RAM available, you should consider using a cluster and partition your streams across period-based key names.
I would like to create a cluster for high availability and put a load balancer front of this cluster. In our configuration, we would like to create exchanges and queues manually, so one exchanges and queues are created, no client should make a call to redeclare them. I am using direct exchange with a routing key so its possible to route the messages into different queues on different nodes. However, I have some issues with clustering and queues.
As far as I read in the RabbitMQ documentation a queue is specific to the node it was created on. Moreover, we can only one queue with the same name in a cluster which should be alive in the time of publish/consume operations. If the node dies then the queue on that node will be gone and messages may not be recovered (depends on the configuration of course). So, even if I route the same message to different queues in different nodes, still I have to figure out how to use them in order to continue consuming messages.
I wonder if it is possible to handle this failover scenario without using mirrored queues. Say I would like switch to a new node in case of a failure and continue to consume from the same queue. Because publisher is just using routing key and these messages can go into more than one queue, same situation is not possible for the consumers.
In short, what can I to cope with the failures in an environment explained in the first paragraph. Queue mirroring is the best approach with a performance penalty in the cluster or a more practical solution exists?
Data replication (mirrored queues in RabbitMQ) is a standard approach to achieve high availability. I suggest to use those. If you don't replicate your data, you will lose it.
If you are worried about performance - RabbitMQ does not scale well.
The only way I know to improve performance is just to make your nodes bigger or create second cluster. Adding nodes to cluster does not really improve things. Also if you are planning to use TLS it will decrease throughput significantly as well. If you have high throughput requirement +HA I'd consider Apache Kafka.
If your use case allows not to care about HA, then just re-declare queues/exchanges whenever your consumers/publishers connect to the broker, which is absolutely fine. When you declare queue that's already exists nothing wrong will happen, queue won't be purged etc, same with exchange.
Also, check out RabbitMQ sharding plugin, maybe that will do for your usecase.
Redis can be used as realtime pub-sub just as Kafka.
I am confused which one to use when.
Any use case would be a great help.
Redis pub-sub is mostly like a fire and forget system where all the messages you produced will be delivered to all the consumers at once and the data is kept nowhere. You have limitation in memory with respect to Redis. Also, the number of producers and consumers can affect the performance in Redis.
Kafka, on the other hand, is a high throughput, distributed log that can be used as a queue. Here any number of users can produce and consumers can consume at any time they want. It also provides persistence for the messages sent through the queue.
Final Take:
Use Redis:
If you want a fire and forget kind of system, where all the messages that you produce are delivered instantly to consumers.
If speed is most concerned.
If you can live up with data loss.
If you don't want your system to hold the message that has been sent.
The amount of data that is gonna be dealt with is not huge.
Use kafka:
If you want reliability.
If you want your system to have a copy of messages that has been sent even after consumption.
If you can't live up with data loss.
If Speed is not a big concern.
data size is huge
Redis 5.0+ version provides the Stream data structure. It could be considered as a log data structure with delivery guarantees. It offers a set of blocking operations allowing consumers to wait for new data added to a stream by producers, and in addition to that, a concept called Consumer Groups.
Basically Stream structure provides the same capabilities as Kafka.
Here is the documentation https://redis.io/topics/streams-intro
There are two most popular Java clients that support this feature: Redisson and Jedis
Redisson provides ReliableTopic object if reliability of delivery is required. https://github.com/redisson/redisson/wiki/6.-distributed-objects/#613-reliable-topic
Assume you have a small rabbitmq system of 3 nodes that is supposed to handle 100+ decently high volume queues in the same exchange. Given that queues only exist on the node they are created on (we're not using replicated, High Availability queues), what's the best way to create the queues? Is there any benefit to having the queues distributed among the cluster nodes, or is it better to keep them all on one node and have rmq do the routing?
It depends on your application, really.
RabbitMQ is smart about sending messages, so it'll only send a message to a node in the cluster if
a queue that holds that message resides on that node or
if a consumer has connected to that node and has requested the message.
In general, you should aim to declare queues on the nodes on which both the publishers and the consumers for that queue will connect to. In other words, you should aim to connect publishers and consumers to the node that holds the queues they use. This assumes you're trying to conserve bandwidth used overall.
If you're using clustering to improve throughput (and you probably are), and you don't care about internal bandwidth used, you should aim to connect your publishers/consumers to the nodes in a balanced way and not worry about the internal routing mechanisms.
One last thing to think about is memory and disk-space. Queues store messages in main memory, and fallback to disk if that's insufficient. So, if you declare all your queues in one place, that'll result in one node that's "over-worked" and two nodes with memory to spare.
As part of a move towards redundancy and failover in an application I'm working on, I've just finished setting up a RabbitMQ cluster behind a proxy, and have all of my publishers and consumers connect via the proxy, which round robins connections to the individual nodes as they come in from the clients. Prior to upgrading RabbitMQ to 2.7.1, this seemed to pretty evenly distribute queues to the separate nodes, though this would of course depend pretty heavily on how your proxy balances the requests and when your clients try to connect (and declare a queue)...
Having said all that, I just upgraded to RabbitMQ 2.7.1, which was pretty painless, and gave us HA queues, which is a pretty big win for our apps. At any rate, if you're interested in the set up, and think it would be of benefit to your queue problem, I'd be happy to share the setup.