We are using the (non-legacy) Azure Service Bus transport. Is there an equivalent to AutoRenewTimeout(TimeSpan) that we can use? And if not (as the docs suggest) how does the transport handle long-running processes?
Is there an equivalent to AutoRenewTimeout(TimeSpan) that we can use?
The short answer is "no". The legacy transport included the option of auto-renewing the lock which was not introduced in the new transport. The rationale for that was simply due to some issues with the functionality. First, it is not a guaranteed operation. It's a client-side initiated operation that can fail and sometimes does, leaving users with questions how did that happen. Second, it encourages to create code where handlers are running for a long time, which is not something NServiceBus is designed for. Instead, the recommendation is to take long processing outside of NServiceBus code. There's a sample that demonstrates exactly that: Long-running operations with Azure Service Bus Transport.
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I'm trying to understand how to persist data in a Twisted application. Let's say I've decided to write a Twisted server that:
Accepts inbound SMTP requests
Sends the message to a 3rd party system for modification
Relays the modified message to its destination
A typical Twisted tutorial would have you build this app using Deferreds and callbacks, roughly:
A Factory handles inbound requests
Each time a full email is received a call is sent to the remote message processor, returning a deferred
Add an errback that substitutes the original message if anything goes wrong in the modify call.
Add a callback to send the message on to the recipient, which again returns a deferred.
A real server would add/include additional call/errbacks to retry or notify the sender or whatnot. Again for simplicity, assume we consider this an acceptable amount of effort and just log errors.
Of course, this persists NO data in the event of a crash/restart/something else. I get that a solution involves a 3rd party persistent datastore (RabbitMQ is often mentioned) and could probably come up with a dozen random ways to achieve the outcome.
However, I imagine there are a few approaches that work best in a Twisted app. What do they look like? How do they store (and restore in the event of a crash) the in-process messages?
If you found this question, you probably already know that Twisted is event-based. It sounds simple, but the "hardest" part of the answer is to get the persistence platform generating the events we need when we need them. Naturally, you can persist the data in a DB or a message queue, but some platforms don't naturally generate events. For example:
ZeroMQ has (or at least had) no callback for new data. It's also relatively poor at persistence.
In other cases, events are easy but reliability is a problem:
pgSQL can be configured to generate events using triggers, but they're one-time things so you can't resume incomplete events
The light at the end of the tunnel seems to be something like RabbitMQ.
RabbitMQ can persist the message in a database to survive a crash
We can use acknowledgements on both legs (incoming SMTP to RabbitMQ and RabbitMQ to outgoing SMTP) to ensure the application is reliable. Importantly, RabbitMQ supports acknowledgements.
Finally, several of the RabbitMQ clients provide full asynchronous support (see for example pika, txampq, and puka)
It's enough for our purposes that the RabbitMQ client provides us an event-based interface.
At a more theoretical level, however, this need not be the case. In fact, despite the "notification" issue above, ZeroMQ has an event-based client. Even if our software is elegantly event-based, we will run into systems that aren't. In these cases, we have no choice but to fall back on polling. In principle, if not in practice, we just query the message provider for messages. When we exhaust the current queue (and immediately if there are no messages), we use a callLater command to check again in the future. It may feel anti-pattern, but it's (to the best of my knowledge anyway) the right way to handle this particular case.
I am new to NServiceBus, trying to introduce messaging into a WCF/RPC solution.
Because of architectural constraints and overhead (memory and cpu usage already high) IT Operations will not allow MSDTC. (I'm also keen to avoid 2PC fwiw). I also require messages over http so the NSB bridge looks like a great solution.
Based on these posts (how-i-avoid-two-phase-commit and extending-nservicebus-avoiding-two-phase-commits) it looks to me as though it's possible to use NSB with the DTC disabled.
It sounds like EventStore does manage to avoid 2PC in the same way that I want to setup NSB but at the moment I just want to get NSB to work rather than adding event sourcing into the mix.
Questions:
Are there any examples of configuring NSB to work this way? I'm quite happy to add the extra complexity (custom message handler with local message state storage) - without 2PC there isn't really another option. I already know of this example (IdempotentConsumer) but the test projects for this repo contain no code. It would be even more helpful if there was an example using nosql storage.
Will I need to alter the NSB bridge to deal with no DTC? I'm guessing no - bridge transactions are only against the local queue but the process that consumes the local queue will obviously need to coded to avoid 2PC. Correct?
Are there any other useful resources/posts around using NSB without MSDTC? The solution (how-i-avoid-two-phase-commit) seems not too complex but given I'm just starting out with NSB it would be great to find a quickstart for this...
I would have thought this would be a common scenario - but there doesn't seem to be much written about avoiding MSDTC while still using NSB. Surely there are others who are using a message bus but aren't allowed to use MSDTC... Is there another obvious way that I've missed?
thanks
2) Yes you should be fine. Since you're doing the deduplication your self you don't need the gateway to do it for you. Just configure it to use the InMemory persistence and you should be fine.
I have a web tier that forwards calls onto an application tier. The web tier uses a shared, cached channel to do so. The application tier services in question are stateless and have concurrency enabled.
But they are not being called concurrently.
If I alter the web tier to create a new channel on every call, then I do get concurrent calls onto the application tier. But I want to avoid that cost since it is functionally unnecessary for my scenario. I have no session state, and nor do I need to re-authenticate the caller each time. I understand that the creation of the channel factory is far more expensive than than the creation of the channels, but it is still a cost I'd like to avoid if possible.
I found this article on MSDN that states:
While channels and clients created by
the channels are thread-safe, they
might not support writing more than
one message to the wire concurrently.
If you are sending large messages,
particularly if streaming, the send
operation might block waiting for
another send to complete.
Firstly, I'm not sending large messages (just a lot of small ones since I'm doing load testing) but am still seeing the blocking behavior. Secondly, this is rather open-ended and unhelpful documentation. It says they "might not" support writing more than one message but doesn't explain the scenarios under which they would support concurrent messages.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Addendum: I am also considering creating a pool of channels that the web server uses to fulfill requests. But again, I see no reason why my existing approach should block and I'd rather avoid the complexity if possible.
After much ado, this all came down to the fact that I wasn't calling Open explicitly on the channel before using it. Apparently an implicit Open can preclude concurrency in some scenarios.
You can cache the WCF proxy, but still create a channel for each service call - this will ensure concurrency, is not very expensive in comparison to creating a channel from scratch, and re-authentication for each call will not be necessary. This is explained on Wenlong Dong's blog - "Performance Improvement for WCF Client Proxy Creation in .NET 3.5 and Best Practices" (a much better source of WCF information and guidance than MSDN).
Just for completeness: Here is a blog entry explaining the observed behavior of request serialization when not opening the channel explicitly:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/wenlong/archive/2007/10/26/best-practice-always-open-wcf-client-proxy-explicitly-when-it-is-shared.aspx
I'm currently playing around a little with WCF, during this I stepped on a question where I'm not sure if I'm on the right track.
Let's assume a simple setup that looks like this: client -> service1 -> service2.
The communication is tcp-based.
So where I'm not sure is, if it makes sense that the service1 caches the client proxy for service2. So I might get a multi-threaded access to that proxy, and I have to deal with it.
I'd like to take advantage of the tcp session to get better performance, but I'm not sure if this "architecture" is supported by WCF/network/whatever at all. The problem I see is that all the communication goes over the same channel, if I'm not using locks or another sync.
I guess the better idea is to cache the proxy in a threadstatic variable.
But before I do that, I wanted to confirm that it's really not a good idea to have only one proxy instance.
tia
Martin
If you don't know that you have a performance problem, then why worry about caching? You're opening yourself to the risk of improperly implementing multithreading code, and without any clear, measurable benefit.
Have you measured performance yet, or profiled the application to see where it's spending its time? If not, then when you do, you may well find that the overhead of multiple TCP sessions is not where your performance problems lie. You may wish you had the time to optimize some other part of your application, but you will have spent that time optimizing something that didn't need to be optimized.
I am already using such a structure. I have one service that collaborates with some other services and realise the implementation. Of course, in my case the client calls some one-way method of the first service. I am getting very good benifit. Of course, I also have configured it to limit the number of concurrent calls in some of the cases.
Yes, that architecture is supported by WCF. I deal with applications every day that use similar structures, using NetTCPBinding.
The biggest thing to worry about is the ConcurrencyMode of the various services involved, and making sure that they do not block unnecessarily. It is very easy to get into a scenario where you will be guaranteed timeouts, or at the least have poor performance due to multiple, synchronous calls across service boundaries. Even OneWay calls are not guaranteed to immediately return.
careful with threadstatic, .net changes the thread so the variable can get null.
For session...perhaps you could use session enabled calls:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms733040.aspx
But i would not recomend using if you do not have any performance issue. I would use the normal way, or if service 1 is just for forwarding you could use that functionality easily with 4.0:
http://www.sdn.nl/SDN/Artikelen/tabid/58/view/View/ArticleID/2979/Whats-New-in-WCF-40.aspx
Regards
Firstly, make sure you know about the behaviour of ThreadStatic in ASP.NET applications:
http://piers7.blogspot.com/2005/11/threadstatic-callcontext-and_02.html
The same thread that started your request may not be the same thread that finishes it. Basically the only safe way of storing Thread local storage in ASP.NET applications is inside HttpContext. The next obvious approach would be to creat a wrapper client to manage your WCF client proxy and ensure each IO request is thread safe using locks.
Although my personal preference would be to use a pool of proxy clients. Whenever you need one pop it off the pool queue and when you're finished with it put it back on.
We can use polling to find out about updates from some source, for example, clients connected to a webserver. WCF provides a nifty feature in the way of Duplex contracts, in which, I can maintain a connection to a client, and make invocations on that connection at will.
Some peeps in the office were discussing the merits of both solutions, and I wanted to get feedback on when each strategy is best used.
I would use an event-based mechanism instead of polling. In WCF, you can do this easily by following the Publish-Subscribe framework that Juval Lowy provides at his website, IDesign.net.
Depends partly on how many users you have.
Say you have 1,000,000 users you will have problems maintaining that many sessions.
But if your system can respond to 1000 poll requests a second then each client can poll every 1000 seconds.
I think Shiraz nailed this one, but I wanted to say two more things.
I've had trouble with Duplex
contracts. You have to have all of
your ducks in a row with regards to
the callback channel... you have to
check it to make sure it's open,
etc. The IDesign.net stuff would be
a minimum amount of plumbing code
you'll have to include.
If it makes sense for your solution
(this is only appropriate in certain
situations), the MSMQ binding allows
a client to send data to a service
in an async manner (like Duplex),
but the service isn't "polling" for
messages... it gets notified when
one enters the queue through some
under-the-covers plumbing.
This sort of forces you to turn the
communication around (client becomes
server, server becomes client), but
if the majority of the communication
is one-way, this would provide a lot
of benefits. The other advantage
here is obviously the queued
communication - the server can be
down and not miss any messages...
it'll pick 'em up when it comes back
online.
Something to think about.