I've built a small telegram bot using python-telegram-bot.
When a conversation is started,I add a periodical job to the job queue and then message back to the user every X minutes.
Problem is when my bot goes offline (maintenance, failures, etc), the jobqueue is lost and clients do not receive updates anymore unless they send /start again
I could maybe store all chat_ids in a persistent queue and restore them at startup but how do I send a message without responding to an update ?
you have lots of options. at first you need to store all chat_ids. you can do it in database or simple text file.
then you need a trigger in order to start sending messages. I'm not familiar with your technology but i just create simple service in order to do it.
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I have a requirement to design a notification system for multi-user(~1000 users) application, here are the high level requirements.
System event gets triggered on specific operations.
On event trigger, individual notification for all(or sometimes only for relevant) users gets generated and stored in database.
While user logs in, all unread notifications for him will be pulled and displayed in ui.
While user reads the notification, we capture the read status.
A scheduler in background evicts all the stale notifications.
This seems like a very typical use case and straight forward to implement with the database.
But my doubt is, is there any way we can replace the Database with the Queue based messaging system? The reason I think this way is because, the use case I have seems like asynchronous in nature(like events, notifications and timely eviction of messages).
While I replace the Database with Queues, the first 2 points from above fits well, but on later part I have some doubts -
In General, are queues flexible to store and query notifications based on user ids ?
Consider this scenario - Notifications gets generated and stored in the queue, and the user is not logged in, what is the best way to handle consumer messages.
a. Should the consumer constantly listen for the messages ?, If so should the messages be stored in application memory(does not seems to be good option) ?
b. Or the consumers should be created for each users dynamically on user login? Is this a regular pattern ?
Any other recommended ways ?
Thanks
Your use-case is suited to a database, not a message queue. While conceptually similar to the use case, a message queue is intended for extremely short-duration storage (i.e. to buffer data moving between running processes). Since you have no control over when users log in, these notifications will potentially be stored for minutes, hours, maybe even weeks. You need a persistent storage mechanism.
I'm going to use Amazon SES for sending emails in the website I'm building currently. According to the sample java code they have provided in their API documentation I developed the functionality and I was able to send the emails. But when it comes to handle huge number of emails in a very short time of period what is the best mechanism to follow up? Do they provide any queue mechanism for emails? I couldn't find this from their API documentation and their technical service is available only for users who has purchased the account.
Can anyone has come across a solution for this problem?
Generally I use a custom SQS solution for a batch mailing process like this.
Sending more than a few emails from a web server isn't ideal, so I usually only have the website submit the request for the emails to a back-end process in a single call, then I create an SQS message for each recipient and (in my case) use a windows service that requests messages from SQS and sends the emails at the pace I want them to go out. If errors are encountered the message stays in the queue, and get retried automatically.
With an architecture like this, depending on your volumes you can spin up new instances automatically if the SQS queue size gets too large for a single instance to process in a timely manner.
In my last project, I am using MassTransit (2.10.1) with RabbitMQ.
On some scenarios, a producer is allowed to send a bulk of messages to the queue.
For example - the user set to a bulk notification to his list of contacts - the list could be as large as 100000 contacts on some cases. This will send a message per each contact to the queue (I need to keep track of each message). Now since - as I understand - messages are being processed in the order of entrance, that user is clogging up the queue for a large amount of time while another user, which may have done a simple thing such as send a test message to himself, waits for the processing to end.
I have considered separating queues for regular VS bulk operations but this still doesn't solve the problem for small bulks (user with dozens of contacts waiting for users with hundred thousands) and causes extra maintenance.
The ideal solution for me - I think - would involve manipulating the routing in such a way that the consumer will be handling x messages from the same user, move the X messages from the next user, than again, and than moving back to the beginning of the queue, until all messages are processed.
Is that possible? Is there a better solution?
Thanks in advance.
You will to have to write code to manage this yourself. RabbitMQ doesn't really have any built-in mechanism to handle a scenario like this, without your code getting involved.
If you want to process a few at a time from bulk, then back to normal, then back to bulk, you'll need 2 queues and code to manage which one is being pulled from, when.
Just my opinion, seeing as how there is no built in way to my knowledge...Have you considered using whatever storage you are using to store the notifications, then just publish one message, with a List of Notifications, store it in you DB, and then have a retrieve notifications for user consumer. the response would be one message, it may have a massive payload, but even if that gets bogged down, add a skip and take property to the message and force it to be between 0 and 50 (or whatever). In what scenario would you want to show a user 100,000 notifications at once?
We are currently evaluating RabbitMQ. Trying to determine how best to implement some of our processes as Messaging apps instead of traditional DB store and grab. Here is the scenario. We have a department of users who perform similar tasks. As they submit work to the server applications we would like the server app to send messages back into a notification window saying what was done - to all the users, not just the one submitting the work. This is all easy to do.
The question is we would like these message to live for say 4 hours in the Queue. If a new user logs in or say a supervisor they would get all the messages from the last 4 hours delivered to their notification window. This gives them a quick way to review what has recently happened and what is going on without having to ask others, "have you talked to John?", "Did you email him is itinerary?", etc.
So, how do we publish messages that have a lifetime of x hours from the time they were published AND any new consumers that connect will get all of these messages delivered in chronological order? And preferably the messages just disappear after they have expired from the queue.
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There is Per-Queue Message TTL and Per-Message TTL in RabbitMQ. If I am right you can utilize them for your task.
In addition to the above answer, it would be better to have the application/client publish messages to two queues. Consumer would consume from one of the queues while the other queue can be configured using per queue-message TTL or per message TTL to retain the messages.
Queuing messages you do to get a message from one point to the other reliable. So the sender can work independently from the receiver. What you propose is working with a temporary persistent store.
A sql database would fit perfectly, but also a mongodb would work nicely. You drop a document in mongo, give it a ttl and let the database handle the expiration.
http://docs.mongodb.org/master/tutorial/expire-data/
I've got a JMS messaging system implemented with two queues. One is used as a standard queue second is an error queue.
This system was implemented to handle database concurrency in my application. Basically, there are users and users have assets. One user can interact with another user and as a result of this interaction their assets can change. One user can interact with single user at once, so they cannot start another interaction before the first one finishes. However, one user can be in interaction with other users multiple times [as long as they started the interaction].
What I did was: crated an "interaction registry" in redis, where I store the ID of users who begin an interaction. During interaction I gather all changes that should be made to the second user's assets, and after interaction is finished I send those changes to the queue [user who has started the interaction is saved within the original transaction]. After the interaction is finished I clear the ID from registry in redis.
Listener of my queue will receive a message with information about changes to the user that need to be done. Listener will get all objects which require a change from the database and update it. Listener will check before each update if there is an interaction started by the user being updated. If there is - listener will rollback the transaction and put the message back on the queue. However, if there's something else wrong, message will be put on to the error queue and will be retried several times before it is logged and marked as failed. Phew.
Now I'm at the point where I need to create a proper integration test, so that I make sure no future changes will screw this up.
Positive testing is easy, unfortunately I have to test scenarios, where during updates there's an OptimisticLockFailureException, my own UserInteractingException & some other exceptions [catch (Exception e) that is].
I can simulate my UserInteractingException by creating a payload with hundreds of objects to be updated by the listener and changing one of it in the test. Same thing with OptimisticLockFailureException. But I have no idea how to simulate something else [I can't even think of what could it be].
Also, this testing scenario based on a fluke [well, chance that presented scenario will not trigger an error is very low] is not something I like. I would like to have something more concrete.
Is there any other, good, way to test this scenarios?
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I did as I described in the original question and it seems to work fine.
Any delays I can test with camel.