I am working on migrating a MS Access Database over to a newer SQL platform.
But, with all of the users who are currently using it, we're migrating slowly/carefully.
The first step is that we are re-writing the VBA code into C#, which is then deployed in a .dll along with the database.
Now, the VBA code calls into the C# to do the business logic, then the VBA continues to do the displays/UI, while Access still hosts the database.
The problem comes in that I have a report that is being run after the business logic from the C# in one place, and apparently MS Access has a cache, which clears every 5 seconds. So, the transaction that occurs in the C# code writes to the database, but the VBA code is still using the cache. This is causing errors, as the records added to the database (which the VBA report is trying to report on) don't exist in the cache yet...
I'm guessing that the C# .dll must be getting treated as a "second connection" to the MS Access database, which is what seems to typically cause this error in my searches (thinks that one process is writing, and the other is reading).
Since the cache is cleared out every 5 seconds, we can just put the process to sleep, and wake it up after 5 seconds, and then run the report, but that's pretty terrible for an end user.
And, making things difficult, the cache seems like it only gets used in the deployed version (so, when running from source / in debug mode, the error never happens).
Doing some searches, there seems to be plenty of people who have said "just refresh the cache." But, the question is: within VBA, how do you refresh the cache?
Any advice would be welcome.
Thanks
I've been fighting the same issue for years as I write a lot of tools around an old Powerbuilder application that has an Access MDB back end.
The cache does exist and it is VERY real. When data is inserted on a different connection than it is queried on, the cache can be directly observed and measured. It was also documented by Microsoft before they blackholed a bunch of their old articles...
Microsoft Jet has a read-cache that is updated every PageTimeout milliseconds (default is 5000ms = 5 seconds). It also has a lazy-write mechanism that operates on a separate thread to main processing and thus writes changes to disk asynchronously. These two mechanisms help boost performance, but in certain situations that require high concurrency, they may create problems.
I've found a couple workarounds that are not the best, but somewhat make due until I find something better or can re-write the app with a better back end database.
The seemingly best answer I've found (that may actually work for you since you say you need VBA) is to use JRO.RefreshCache. I've been trying to figure out how to implement this using C# or VB.net without any luck. Below is a link to a code example where you execute the RefreshCache method on your 2nd connection that needs to pull the data. I have not tested this myself.
https://documentation.help/MSJRO/jrmthrefreshcachex.htm
A workaround I've found that will deliver the query results within 500ms to 1000ms of insert time (instead of anywhere between 500 and 5000 ms - or more):
Use System.Data.ODBC instead of OleDB, with connection string: Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb, *.accdb)};Dbq=;
If someone knows how to use the JRO.RefreshCache method with OLEDB and C# or VB.net, I'd be forever grateful. I believe the issue is it's looking for an ADO connection to be passed in, not an OLEDB connection.
I not aware of ANY suggesting that some 5 second cache exits? Where did this idea come from????
Furthermore, if you have 5 users, then you not going to be able to update their cache, are you?
In other words, the issue of some cache for one user still not going to solve or work with mutli-users anyway, is it?
The simple matter is if you load up a form with 100 reocrds, and then other users are ALSO working on that 100 rows, then all users will not see other changes until such time you tell access to re-load the form.
You can do this with a me.Refresh in the form, and then it will show changes made by other users (or even your c# code!!!).
However, that not really the soluion here.
How does near EVERY system deal with this issue?
Answer:
You don't, you "design" the software to take the user work flow into account.
So, in place of loading up a form with 100 rows of data? (which you should not, unless SUPER DUPER reason exists for doing that).
The you provide a UI in which the user FIRST searches for whatever it is they want to work on.
In other words, say you just booked a user on a tour. Now, they call the office back, and want to change some details of that tour. But, a different tour staff might pick up the phone. So, now a 2nd user opens the tour?
So, you solve that issue by NOT loading all the tours into that form in the first place.
you provide a search screen, so they can search for the user, find the user, maybe type in a invoice number or whatever.
You display the results in a pick list, and then launch the form to the ONE record (and perhaps detail records from child tables).
So there no concpet of a cache in Access anymore then there is in c#.
However, if you load up a datatable in c#, and then display that data?
Well, what about the other users on that system. They will not see changes to that data ANY MORE then the current access form.
So, if you want to update some data in c#? Then fine, but you need/want to do two things:
First, before you call any c# code that may update the current form reocrd? You need to FORCE a data save of that current record BEFORE you call any code, be it VBA code, or c# code that going to update that current reocrd the user is working on.
You can in Access save the current reocrd in MANY different ways, but the typical approach is:
' single record save - current record
if me.dirty then me.dirty = false
' VBA or c# code goes here.
' optional refresh the current form to reflect changes
me.Refresh
So, in most cases, it is the "design" of your software that will solve this issue.
For example, in the tour example, or in fact ANY system, the user can't work, can't update, and can't do their job UNLESS they first find/search and have a means to bring up that form + record data in the first place.
So, ANY typical good design will:
Ask the user for that name, invoce number or whatever.
Display the results of the search, and THEN allow the user to pick the record/data to work on. When they are done, they close that form and are RIGHT BACK to the search form to do battle with the next customer or task or phone call or whatever.
So, a search form might look like this:
In above, I typed in smi, and then displayed a pick list.
The user can further type in say part of the first name, and thus now get this:
So, maybe they type in a invoice number, customer number, booking number or whatever.
So, you display the results, and then they can select the row or "thing" to work on.
thus, we click on the row (or above glasses button), and then jump to the ONE record.
so, the user does whatever they have to do with the customer. Now, when done, they close the ONE thing, the ONE main reocrd.
This not only saves the data (so others in the office can now use that booking data), but it also means the data is saved. and they are NOW right back at the search screen, ready to do battle with the next customer.
So, not only does this mean we have a VERY bandwith friednly design (we only pull the one main reocrd into that form), but it also is better for work flow.
The Access form's cache thus becomes a non issue, since we only dealing with the one record.
And as I pointed out, if the system is multi-user, then you NOT going to be able to udpate and deal with multiple users cached data anyway, are you?
Think of ANY system you EVER used from a software point of view.
When you use google, does it download the WHOLE internet, and then you use ctrl-f to search megs and megs of data in the browser?
Nope!
you search first, get a list of that search, and THEN pick one!!
And when that list is display, maybe others on the internet are udpateing, and add new data - but if that was cached in your browser, then it would not work!!!
And same goes for a desktop accounting system. You don't load up all accounts, and THEN have the user go ctrl-f to search all the data. You search for the customer, invoice number and PICK ONE to work on.
And it does not make sense to load up a form with 1000 customers, and then go ctrl-f to find that customer. Same goes for a instant banking machine. It does not download ALL customers and THEN let you search. It asks you FIRST to get what you need. So, be it browser based, desktop based, or JUST ABOUT ANY software you use?
You quite much elminate the cache issue, since not pre-loading boatloads of data, but asking and letting the user search for the data they need.
So, in regards to the Access form data and cache?
If you are on a form, and call VBA code, or c# code or whatever?
If that code update the current form, you have NO MORE OR LESS of a issue when calling VBA code, or c# code!!!! If that code updates the current form, and the reocrd is dirty (has pending edits), then you get that message about the current form's reocrd having been udpated by another user!!!
So, your cache issue does NOT IN ANY WAY exist MORE or LESS as a issue in typical Access software.
As a genreal rule, if you are on a form with pending edits, and say want to pop up some form to edit releated data?
You have to ensure that pending edits are SAVED before you launch an form that can edit the same data, or run code that can/may edit that data.
As a result, ZERO cache issues should exist, and they no more or no less exist when calling sql or VBA update code in a form then calling some c# code from that form.
So, write the pending update for that form.
Then run your VBA, SQL, or c# code.
And then do a me.Refresh to display any changes made by those external routines.
there is no documetjion, or ANY article I can find that suggests some kind of 5 seocnd cache or update - it is a urban myth, and your software challenge here in regards to use c# or VBA, or even SQL server stored procedures?
They are all the same issue, and I dare say that often access is used as a front end to SQL server, and ALL OF the SAME issues exist when using SQL server with ms-access.
Consider for example this modified Simple TCP sample program:
How can I display the current state of the program like
Wait for Connection
Connected
Connection terminated
on the frontpanel, depending on where the "data flow" currently is.
The easiest way to do this is to place a string indicator on your front panel and write messages to a local variable of this indicator at each point where you want to see a status update.
You need to keep in mind how LabVIEW dataflow works: code will execute as soon as the data it depends on becomes available. Sometimes you can use existing structures to enforce this - for example, if you put a string constant inside your loop and wire it to a local variable terminal outside the loop, the write will only happen after the loop exits. Sometimes you may need to enforce that dataflow artificially, for example by placing your operation inside a sequence frame and connecting a wire to the border of the sequence: then what's inside the sequence will only happen after data arrives on that wire. (This is about the only thing you should use a sequence for!)
This method is not guaranteed to be deterministic, but it's usually good enough for giving a simple status indication to the user.
A better version of the above would be to send the status messages on a queue or notifier which you read, and update the status indicator, in a separate loop. The queue and notifier write functions have error terminals which can help you to enforce sequence. A notifier is like the local variable in that you will only see the most recent update; a queue keeps all the data you write to it in the right order so would be more suitable if you want to log all the updates to a scrolling list or log file. With this solution you could add more features: for example the read loop could add a timestamp in front of each message so you could see how recent it was.
A really good solution to this general problem is to use a design pattern based on a state machine. Now your program flow is clearly organised into different states and it's very easy to add in functionality like sending a different message from each state. There are good examples and project templates for these design patterns included with recent versions of LabVIEW.
You should be able to find more information on any of the terms in bold in the LabVIEW help or on the NI website.
I have set up a multithreading routine in Access which opens up several Access files at the same time and executes a specific function in each file. The files act in parallel. I would like to send Debug.Print messages to the main file which initiates the multithreading.
I'm not sure if it can do this or if there is a better solution.
You have a number of processes, each working on their own part of the bigger picture.
The immediate pane of the "main" IDE belongs to that instance, in that process; you could Alt+Tab and then Alt+F11 to bring up a VBE instance in any/every instance to view that instance's Debug.Print output.
What you want is something like an ILogger implementation that writes the log entries in a dedicated database table: a DatabaseLogger, for example.
You replace Debug.Print with Logger.Log calls; that way you let the database server deal with the multiple incoming threads, and depending on the RDBMS you could even setup a job to cleanup, aggregate and/or archive the older log records. Or whatever, as long as it's not logic I need to care about in VBA code.
Writing to another VBE's immediate toolwindow involves low-level, cross-process Win32 wizardry that doesn't need to clutter up an otherwise nice & tidy VBA project. I wouldn't bother with that, there are simpler solutions.
You could create a PublicNotCreatable UserForm (not an Access Form) in the main application, and pass a reference to it, to all of the parallel apps. Add a custom method to the UserForm, like 'PrintLine(message as string), and each app can callform.PrintLine("app is running")`?
You could then have the UserForm display the output, or possibly, have the UserForm output the message to the Immediate window of the main application.
I'm having a problem with making my VB.NET application point to something rather than "Application" in Event Log...
I create my custom event log using the function: EventLog.CreateEventSource("My_Source_Name", "My_Log_Name")
where the first parm is the Source Name, and the second parm is the log name. This method works every time it creates the event log's source, but when I'm about to add a new entry, I'm surprised that for some sources the process write the log under my custom log, but for other sources, the log is written in Application!!! (Some times with an error at it's header)!!!!!
I need to know, what exactly is going on?? am I (somehow) following the right way?? if Yes, what are the enhancements that I need to add to my code to make it look much better?? how can I stop this from occurring again so I can have all my logs under my customized log name?? and if No, what is the right way of doing this?? and is there any other way of writing this code (even if the new code was for another solution rather than the event log)??
Thank you very much :)
"To create an event source in Windows Vista and later or Windows Server 2003, you must have administrative privileges."
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/5zbwd3s3.aspx
On the other hand, you should have a class (or interface) in charge of logging as a vertical layer on your application. That class is the one in charge of internally write to the appropriate event source.
However, if you need something powerful I really recommend Log4Net.
http://logging.apache.org/log4net/
I am using NHibernate for a project, and I am absolutely beginner. I am fetching some objects from a table and showing it to a form, where they can be edited. If an user inserts a new object into the table from some other window, I want to show this newly inserted object into the edit window. My application uses tabbed window interface, so user can simultaneously open insert window and edit window at the same time.
So basically what I need is a way to determine if a newly created object exists in the database which is not fetched before by ISession, and if not, then fetch that new object from the database. In other words, I need to synchronize my session with the database, just like flush method, but in the reverse way.
Can anyone help me?
Publish/Subscription method works well for this. Check out the Publishing Events part of Ayende's sample desktop application. Basically after you've added a new item, you publish that information and other parts of your application that subscribed can update their lists accordingly.
You are taking the path to NHibernate Hell.
Be sure to work your infrastructure (ie defining interfaces, defining session management patterns and notification pattern) and isolate these non-business utilies from the rest of your code before using NHibernate to implement them.
Good luck.