I'm very confused by this, and no doubt this is my misunderstanding or some such, but I'm trying to get my machine to talk to an upstream proxy, i'm using redsocks to transparently redirect to upstream.
Below we can see curl
root#Amachine:/# curl -v -k https://bower.herokuapp.com
* Rebuilt URL to: https://bower.herokuapp.com/
* Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache
* Trying 54.235.187.231...
* Connected to bower.herokuapp.com (54.235.187.231) port 443 (#0)
* successfully set certificate verify locations:
* CAfile: none
CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server key exchange (12):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server finished (14):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client key exchange (16):
* SSLv3, TLS change cipher, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSLv3, TLS change cipher, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSL connection using TLSv1.2 / ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
* Server certificate:
* subject: C=US; ST=California; L=San Francisco; O=Heroku, Inc.; CN=*.herokuapp.com
* start date: 2014-01-21 00:00:00 GMT
* expire date: 2017-05-19 12:00:00 GMT
* issuer: CORPORATE PROXY
Issuer appears to be the corporate proxy. Breaking all ssl comms.
root#machine:/# openssl s_client -connect bower.herokuapp.com:443
CONNECTED(00000003)
depth=1 C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
verify return:0
---
Certificate chain
0 s:/C=US/ST=California/L=San Francisco/O=Heroku, Inc./CN=*.herokuapp.com
i:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
1 s:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
i:/C=US/O=DigiCert Inc/OU=www.digicert.com/CN=DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA
What's baffling me is that they have different issuers. Granted curl seems to hide most of what is going on. I can specify the root ca path and openssl works, and gives me an ok, but curl somehow is using a different path
I'm actually not sure how to debug what on earth is happening in curl. I thought I would get a similar issuer. I may be misunderstanding how s_client works though, does anyone know what is happening?
You have a SSL interception proxy in your network and curl is using it while openssl does not use it, or the proxy does not intercept the connections. It is not clear from your description what the case is exactly, but it might be
that you are using different machines, and from one the connections get intercepted while on the other not
that the intercepting proxy will not intercept connections without server name indication (SNI). Curl does SNI while openssl does not the way you use it. Use the -servername argument to retry with SNI.
1) You used the -k option to curl, which makes it ignore the CA verification - but at least it's showing what would the problem be, an MITM SSL proxy.
Presumably you can't bypass it, in this case a better option might be to retrieve the "CORPORATE PROXY" CA itself, and make it a trusted CA on your workstation. This is generally not a good idea, as it's destroying any effort that the CA's made to verify the certificate subject. On the other hand corporate networks generally make this decision for you anyway.
2) openssl is complaining only because it does not check the CA chain by default. It also seems you're not on the same network and/or use a different set of proxies than with curl. You may learn this if you check the environment for http_proxy or similar:
# printenv|egrep -i '(http|proxy)'
Or, if all else fails, perhaps the curl you're using is hardwired to use a different socks proxy, you can check with strace, what IP address curl and openssl is connecting to. Look for the connect syscall use with:
# strace -f -e connect curl https://www.google.com:443
As you mentioned, openssl needs the -CApath CERTIFICATEDIR option to verify the issuers with the CA certificates specially named in the CERTIFICATEDIR. Apart from CERTIFICATEDIR, it's actually checking the system certificate directory as well which was provided by the distribution - so as a shortcut, something as simple can usually work:
# openssl s_client -CApath 1 -connect bower.herokuapp.com:443
1 will be checked as a directory for certificates, but if it does not exist, the system will be consulted. Other useful options you can find in the manual for s_client
-servername SNI
Will send a hostname option in the initial clienthello packet so that the server (and the corporate proxy) can better decide which certificate to use on the host.
-CAfile FILE
If you know there's only a single acceptable CA for the connection.
-showcerts
If you want to record and analyse all the certificates in PEM format.
-status
It asks the server to provide the OCSP status of its own certificate via OCSP stapling and openssl will verify if it is valid.
In my case I had environment variable https_proxy defining proxy, which curl was fetching and using, while openssl was not using it. Thus, corporate proxy was serving different issuers for the certificate. After adding command parameter -proxy to openssl, both curl and openssl were serving same certificate chains.
Related
I have been given the following files for setting up TLS for a website running on the domain example.com:
example.com.key (containing the private key)
example.com.cer (containing one certificate)
intermediate_example.com.crt (containing two certificates)
example.com.csr (containing one certificate request)
I'm using Traefik to host the site, and I've configured Traefik like so in the dynamic.yml config:
tls:
certificates:
- certFile: "certs/example.com.cer"
keyFile: "certs/example.com.key"
stores:
- default
Doing so resulted in a website I could access via Chrome and Firefox, but whenever trying a request with curl (or any program using its libraries), I get the following error:
➜ ~ curl -v https://test.example.com/
* Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:443...
* Connected to test.example.com (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) port 443 (#0)
* ALPN, offering h2
* ALPN, offering http/1.1
* successfully set certificate verify locations:
* CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
* CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Encrypted Extensions (8):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Certificate (11):
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS alert, unknown CA (560):
* SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
* Closing connection 0
curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
More details here: https://curl.se/docs/sslcerts.html
Why is this working in browsers, but not via curl?
I have ensured that the ca-certificates package is installed on the host, and even when I download the most recent CA bundle and use curl --cacert cacert.pem …, it does not work.
What am I missing here?
The reason it does not work is that the intermediate certificate is missing in what Traefik is sending to the client.
The browsers can work around this using the Authority Information Access mechanism, and even macOS does this, fetching the missing information out-of-band, thereby allowing you to access the site normally. Some background is given here.
This is obviously a configuration error on the server. To fix it, at least for Traefik, you can concatenate everything into one .pem file. You don't need to add the CSR file here:
cat example.com.key example.com.cer intermediate_example.com.crt > cert.pem
Then, specify the same file twice in Traefik's config:
tls:
certificates:
- certFile: "certs/cert.pem"
keyFile: "certs/cert.pem"
stores:
- default
This is also mentioned in this discussion on the Traefik community board.
Running this command inside wsl 2 windows delivers the below output.
Can anyone explain why there are mixed TLSv1.3 and TLSv1.2 IN and OUT and is this a potential reason as to why its unable to get local issuer certificate.
The Windows host OS is Enterprise
I have installed ca-certificates and ran update-ca-certificates
curl -v https://google.com:443/
* Trying 172.217.169.78...
* TCP_NODELAY set
* Connected to google.com (172.217.169.78) port 443 (#0)
* ALPN, offering h2
* ALPN, offering http/1.1
* successfully set certificate verify locations:
* CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
* TLSv1.3 (OUT), TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* TLSv1.3 (IN), TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS handshake, Certificate (11):
* TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS alert, unknown CA (560):
* SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
* Closing connection 0
curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
More details here: https://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html
Are you using a network connection subject to monitoring or 'protection' such as antivirus, like one provided by a business, organization or school? If so you are probably getting a fake cert/chain from the interceptor.
Try openssl s_client -connect google.com:443 and look at the s:and i: lines under Certificate chain. (Many hosts today require SNI to respond correctly and if your OpenSSL is below 1.1.1 you need to add -servername x to provide SNI, but google is not one of them, and anyway since your curl is at least trying 1.3 it cannot be OpenSSL below 1.1.1.)
Or, if connecting from Chrome, Edge or IE (but maybe not Firefox) on the host Windows works normally, doubleclick the padlock and look at the cert chain to see if it leads to GlobalSign Root CA (as the real google does) or something else (like e.g. BlueCoat); if the latter the interceptor's root cert is installed in your host Windows store, but not the WSL system. You can export the cert from the host browser and put it in a file, and either use it manually with curl --cacert $file, or import it to the WSL system's truststore, but that depends on what system you are running in WSL which you didn't say.
Added: the mixture of TLS 1.3 and 1.2 in the logging info is probably because 1.3 uses the same record header version as 1.2 as a transition hack, with an extension that indicates it is really 1.3 only in the two Hello messages, and the callback probably doesn't deal with this.
Turns out there were missing certificates that once provided and installed it worked fine
I have a Gitlab installation on a Kimsufi server installed from sources.
I use Apache and HTTPS with self-signed certificate.
Almost everything is working fine.
This is the problem :
I can't clone repository via HTTPS. Only SSH works fine.
fatal: unable to access 'https://xxx/xxx/xxx.git/': The requested URL
returned error: 503
I think the problem comes from the Apache configuration (vhost).
Is there a log file somewhere or specific command I can run to debug this form client side or server side ?
Thx for help
Edit :
The request result with curl :
xxx#xxx:~/temp$ curl -v https://xxx.xxx.fr/xxx/xxx.git
* Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache
* Trying xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx...
* Connected to xx.xx.xx (xx.xx.xx.xx) port 443 (#0)
* successfully set certificate verify locations:
* CAfile: none
CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11):
* SSLv3, TLS alert, Server hello (2):
* SSL certificate problem: self signed certificate
* Closing connection 0
curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: self signed certificate
More details here: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html
curl performs SSL certificate verification by default, using a "bundle"
of Certificate Authority (CA) public keys (CA certs). If the default
bundle file isn't adequate, you can specify an alternate file
using the --cacert option.
If this HTTPS server uses a certificate signed by a CA represented in
the bundle, the certificate verification probably failed due to a
problem with the certificate (it might be expired, or the name might
not match the domain name in the URL).
If you'd like to turn off curl's verification of the certificate, use
the -k (or --insecure) option
I think I have a certificate issue... Or CA ?
I'm trying to connect to a service that requires a certificate for authorization. The process is that I send the service a CSR file. The service signs the CSR and sends me a certificate that I use for connection.
I generated the CSR by the following command line:
openssl req -new -nodes -newkey rsa:2048 -keyout cert.key -out cert.csr
I took the content of the cert.csr and sent to them. They generate the client certificate and I got a PEM file back.
I now try to connect using their certificate file in SSLCERT for curl() and providing the private key from cert.key as CURLOPT_SSLKEY - (which I got at step 1).
Fails with: error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure
What am I doing wrong in this process?
It works when I try with a received a test certificate including a private key from the service (self signed certificate). But when I use a certificate they generated from my CSR and then use my private key as key, it errors with handshake failure.
So I know it does not have something to do with that openssl / curl doesn't support v3/TLS etc. that others when researching for a solution found out their problem was.
Here is what I run:
curl -i -v --request POST https://service.com/ --cert clientcert.pem --key private_key.pem --cert-type pem --tlsv1.1 --insecure
* Connected to service.com (1xx.xxx.xxx.xx) port 443 (#0)
* successfully set certificate verify locations:
* CAfile: none
CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server key exchange (12):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Request CERT (13):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server finished (14):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client key exchange (16):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT verify (15):
* SSLv3, TLS change cipher, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSLv3, TLS alert, Server hello (2):
* error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure
* Closing connection 0
Running following versions: curl 7.35.0 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.35.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1f zlib/1.2.8 libidn/1.28 librtmp/2.3
Not a definite answer but too much to fit in comments:
I hypothesize they gave you a cert that either has a wrong issuer (although their server could use a more specific alert code for that) or a wrong subject. We know the cert matches your privatekey -- because both curl and openssl client paired them without complaining about a mismatch; but we don't actually know it matches their desired CA(s) -- because your curl uses openssl and openssl SSL client does NOT enforce that a configured client cert matches certreq.CAs.
Do openssl x509 <clientcert.pem -noout -subject -issuer and the same on the cert from the test P12 that works. Do openssl s_client (or check the one you did) and look under Acceptable client certificate CA names; the name there or one of them should match (exactly!) the issuer(s) of your certs. If not, that's most likely your problem and you need to check with them you submitted your CSR to the correct place and in the correct way. Perhaps they have different regimes in different regions, or business lines, or test vs prod, or active vs pending, etc.
If the issuer of your cert does match desiredCAs, compare its subject to the working (test-P12) one: are they in similar format? are there any components in the working one not present in yours? If they allow it, try generating and submitting a new CSR with a subject name exactly the same as the test-P12 one, or as close as you can get, and see if that produces a cert that works better. (You don't have to generate a new key to do this, but if you choose to, keep track of which certs match which keys so you don't get them mixed up.) If that doesn't help look at the certificate extensions with openssl x509 <cert -noout -text for any difference(s) that might reasonably be related to subject authorization, like KeyUsage, ExtendedKeyUsage, maybe Policy, maybe Constraints, maybe even something nonstandard.
If all else fails, ask the server operator(s) what their logs say about the problem, or if you have access look at the logs yourself.
What SSL private key should be sent along with the client certificate?
None of them :)
One of the appealing things about client certificates is it does not do dumb things, like transmit a secret (like a password), in the plain text to a server (HTTP basic_auth). The password is still used to unlock the key for the client certificate, its just not used directly to during exchange or tp authenticate the client.
Instead, the client chooses a temporary, random key for that session. The client then signs the temporary, random key with his cert and sends it to the server (some hand waiving). If a bad guy intercepts anything, its random so it can't be used in the future. It can't even be used for a second run of the protocol with the server because the server will select a new, random value, too.
Fails with: error:14094410:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure
Use TLS 1.0 and above; and use Server Name Indication.
You have not provided any code, so its not clear to me how to tell you what to do. Instead, here's the OpenSSL command line to test it:
openssl s_client -connect www.example.com:443 -tls1 -servername www.example.com \
-cert mycert.pem -key mykey.pem -CAfile <certificate-authority-for-service>.pem
You can also use -CAfile to avoid the “verify error:num=20”. See, for example, “verify error:num=20” when connecting to gateway.sandbox.push.apple.com.
The solution for me on a CentOS 8 system was checking the System Cryptography Policy by verifying the /etc/crypto-policies/config reads the default value of DEFAULT rather than any other value.
Once changing this value to DEFAULT, run the following command:
/usr/bin/update-crypto-policies --set DEFAULT
Rerun the curl command and it should work.
In my case the cause of the error was that I only imported the certificate (e.g., cert1.pem) and the private key (e.g., privkey1.pem) into the keystore and to solve the issue, I had to import the full chain of certificates as well.
I got the following files from "Let's Encrypt" certification authority:
privkey1.pem
fullchain1.pem
chain1.pem
cert1.pem
So I did the following:
Join the content of three certificate files together into a file named all.pem:
cat cert1.pem chain1.pem fullchain1.pem > all.pem
Create my keystore containing the full certificate chain:
openssl pkcs12 -export -in all.pem -inkey privkey1.pem -out my_keystore.p12 -name mycertalias -CAfile chain1.pem -caname root
I have a website I am using to host redmine and several git repositories
This works perfectly for http, but I can't clone with https, i.e.
git clone http://mysite.com/git/test.git
works fine, but
git clone https://mysite.com/git/test.git
fails
The strange thing is that https seems to work for everything else I have tested. If I open
https://mysite.com/git/test.git
in a browser (tested in chrome and firefox), I get no errors or warnings. I can also
curl https://mysite.com/git/test.git
wget https://mysite.com/git/test.git
both of which work with no complaints or warnings.
Here is the verbose output from git:
$ GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1 git clone https://user#mysite.com/test/test.git
Cloning into test...
Password:
* Couldn't find host mysite.com in the .netrc file; using defaults
* About to connect() to mysite.com port 443 (#0)
* Trying 127.0.0.1... * Connected to mysite.com (127.0.0.1) port 443 (#0)
* found 157 certificates in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
* server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
* Closing connection #0
* Couldn't find host mysite.com in the .netrc file; using defaults
* About to connect() to mysite.com port 443 (#0)
* Trying 127.0.0.1... * Connected to mysite.com (127.0.0.1) port 443 (#0)
* found 157 certificates in /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
* server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
* Closing connection #0
error: server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none while accessing https://user\
#mysite.com/test/test.git/info/refs
fatal: HTTP request failed
Here is the verbose output from curl, with the personal info changed:
* About to connect() to mysite.com port 443 (#0)
* Trying 127.0.0.1... connected
* Connected to mysite.com (127.0.0.1) port 443 (#0)
* successfully set certificate verify locations:
* CAfile: none
CApath: /etc/ssl/certs
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server hello (2):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, CERT (11):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server key exchange (12):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Server finished (14):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client key exchange (16):
* SSLv3, TLS change cipher, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSLv3, TLS change cipher, Client hello (1):
* SSLv3, TLS handshake, Finished (20):
* SSL connection using DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
* Server certificate:
* subject: C=US; <... cut my certs info ...>
* start date: 2011-10-18 00:00:00 GMT
* expire date: 2013-10-17 23:59:59 GMT
* subjectAltName: mysite.com matched
* issuer: C=GB; ST=Greater Manchester; L=Salford; O=COMODO CA Limited; CN=COMODO High-Assurance Secure Server CA
* SSL certificate verify ok.
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.21.6 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0e zlib/1.2.3.4 libidn/1.22 librtmp/2.3
> Host: mysite.com
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 200 OK
< Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:39:54 GMT
< Server: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu)
< Last-Modified: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:20:01 GMT
< ETag: "8209c-87-4af39bb89ccac"
< Accept-Ranges: bytes
< Content-Length: 135
< Vary: Accept-Encoding
< Content-Type: text/html
< X-Pad: avoid browser bug
<
<p>Welcome to the mysite.com<p/>
* Connection #0 to host mysite.com left intact
* Closing connection #0
* SSLv3, TLS alert, Client hello (1):
The only difference I can see is that git seems to be using an explicit CAfile while curl uses the whole directory? I'm new to ssl (at least on the admin side), so I'm not sure what this means or how I could configure git to work the same way as curl.
I am using git 1.7.5.4 and apache 2.2.14 on Ubuntu 10.04. I've tried cloning from 3 different linux hosts (including another account on the server itself), and nothing works.
I've also used the openssl tool to verify my cert on the server:
$openssl verify -purpose sslserver -CAfile chain.crt signed.pem
signed.pem: OK
This may be related to the bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4953 but it seems different because I am not getting any warning or errors in any other program.
It may be worth mentioning that I am using gitolite and redmine_git_hosting using smart http to do authentication over https. I don't think any of this is at fault though, because the problem exists even if I just stick an otherwise working bare repo in /var/www and access it directly. Also, git over ssh (with and without gitolite) works.
Please let me know if you have any idea what might be wrong or if you'd like some more info. I'd really prefer to get ssl working properly, as opposed to forcing everyone to disable certificate checking in git, although that is a current workaround.
Thanks for reading this long post!
It turns out that this was a gnuTLS issue. gnuTLS is order sensitive, while openssl is not. I re-ordered the certificates in my intermediate cert file and the problem went away
XCondE's answer will address the problem, but turning off security warnings always feels like a bad idea. If you're running on an ubuntu box, then the issue may be that the CA certificate for your web server isn't in the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt file. I ran into this with a git server hosted on a web server with a SSL certificate signed by www.incommon.org.
You can add the intermediate certificate to your ca-certificates file, as follows:
wget http://cert.incommon.org/InCommonServerCA.crt
openssl x509 -inform DER -in InCommonServerCA.crt -out incommon.pem
cat /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt incommon.pem > ca-certs2.crt
sudo cp /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt.bak
sudo cp ca-certs2.crt /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt
There's a good discussion of what's going on behind the scenes here:
http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html
I encountered this error with one of my Comodo PositiveSSL certificates and was able to fix it by changing the order of the intermediate certificates.
After ordering the certificate, I was provided with the following files:
Root CA Certificate - AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt
Intermediate CA Certificate - COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt
Intermediate CA Certificate - COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt
PositiveSSL Wildcard Certificate - STAR_mydomain_com.crt
Originally, the order of certificates in the .crt I was providing to Nginx was as follows:
PositiveSSL Wildcard Certificate - STAR_mydomain_com.crt
Intermediate CA Certificate - COMODORSAAddTrustCA.crt
Intermediate CA Certificate - COMODORSADomainValidationSecureServerCA.crt
However, I reversed the order of the last two certificates and Git no longer throws verification errors.
git uses gnutls for this stuff, which requires the CA be specified. This can be done with per-respository with:
git config http.sslcapath <path to CA directory>
OR
git config http.sslcainfo <path to CA cert>
You can also specify --system or --global.
The problem may be that you didn't configure correctly Apache
You may have to add your server name to the Apache configuration file
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf, e.g.:
ServerName demo.personalserver.com
From: https://www.progclub.org/blog/2014/09/03/gnutls_handshake-failed-using-git/#comment-96924
export GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=1
From http://blog.breadncup.com/2011/06/09/skip-git-ssl-verification/
WARNING: as some people mentioned, this disables verification, leaving you open to a sleuth of security issues. You shouldn't rely on it long-term but, in a pinch, it will get the job done.