As we know the UDP places limit on the block size when the datagrampacket is sent from the client to the server. Still there are protocols like RTP which use UDP to transmit real time video/audio to the destination. I presume that the streaming of data will be variable in nature.
Could someone explain how does UDP manage to transmit variable block size over the internet? I have not found anything much in this regard.
Thanks,
How UDP could be changed to support arbitrary block sizes?
It does support arbitrary block sizes, up to 65507 bytes, more in IPv6.
Could someone explain how does UDP manage to transmit variable block size over the internet?
It transmits variable block sizes within the limit, which is imposed not by UDP but by the path MTU at the IP layer and the socket send buffer at the application layer.
I have not found anything much in this regard.
Hard to believe.
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I heard a UDP payload of 508 bytes will be safe from fragments. I heard the real MTU is 1500 but people should use a payload of 1400 because headers will eat the rest of the bytes, I heard many packets will be fragmented so using around 64K is fine. But I want to forget about all of these and programmatically detect what's gets me good latency and throughput from my local machine to my server.
I was thinking about implementing something like a sliding window that TCP has. I'll send a few UDP packets then more and more until packets are lost. I'm not exactly sure how to tell if a packet was delayed VS lost and I'm not sure how to slide by down without going to far back. Is there an algorithm typically used for this? If I know the average hop between my machine and server or the average ping is there a way to estimate the maximum delay time of a packet?
I am writing a program for receiving udp multicast packet. I came across short read. Is that applicable to udp? How do I ensure that I read one packet at a time? Is that possible?
My packet has a fixed size header followed by a variable length body.
https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_60_0/doc/html/boost_asio/overview/core/streams.html#:~:text=When%20a%20short%20read%20or,write()%20and%20async_write()%20.
"I came across short read"
What does that mean? You mean you "heard about it"? Or received the error?
Is that applicable to udp?
No. UDP is connectionless and DATAGRAM.
How do I ensure that I read one packet at a time?
That's how UDP works.
Is that possible?
Something else is not possible, although you can set flags that allow an incomplete datagram when the supplied buffer is too small to receive the complete datagram.
My packet has a fixed size header followed by a variable length body.
SUMMARY
The title of the page you linked was Streams, Short Reads and Short Writes. Your sockets are UDP, that is, not streams.
Hi I am writing a program that will send a file from client to server using UDP socket using different packet sizes for example 512B, 1KB and 2KB and i don't want use fixed buffer size in the receiver(server).I need some codes in Java that will allow both server and client to agree upon a packet size before transfer start. Many thanks
Don't you forget that UDP packets may be fragmented, duplicated and lost? There is a whole bunch of things to take care of, starting with lost packet retransmissions.
I hate to give a "don't do this" kind of answers, but for this one, just use TCP. And if you want some user-level "packets", you can have them with TCP also (prefix each one with its length, that's enough).
i am writing my programming for ar drone using UDP, but the drone sometimes hangs, i think maybe the UDP is not big enough, is there any way to improve the situation if still using UDP?
UDP datagram sizes are limited by:
The outgoing socket send buffer. Defaults for this vary wildly, from 8k in Windows to 53k or more in other systems.
The Path MTU or Maximum Transmission Unit of the entire network path between you and the receiver. This is typically no more than 1260 bytes.
The safest size for a UDP datagram is 534 bytes as this will never be fragmented by the transport. If you're planning on sending datagrams larger than this you need to consider a different transport, usually TCP.
We use an embedded device to send packets from a serial port over a serial-to-Ethernet converter to a server. One manufacturer we use, Moxa, will always send the packets in the same manner which they are constructed. Meaning, if we construct a packet size of 255, it will always send the packet in a 255 length. The other manufacturer, Tibbo, if we send the packet size 255, it will break the packet up if it is greater than 128. This is the answer I received from the Tibbo engineers at the time:
"From what I understand and what the
engineers said, even if the other
devices provide you with the right
packet size now does not guarantee
that when implemented in other
networks the same will happen. This
is the reason why we feel that packet
size based data transfer through TCP
is not reliable as it was not the way
TCP was designed to be used."
I understand that this may not be how TCP was designed to be used, but if I create a packet of 255 bytes and TCP allows it, then how is this outside of how TCP works? I understand that at some point the packet may get broken up but if the server is expecting a certain packet size and Moxa's offering does not have the same problem as the Tibbo device.
So, is it possible to guarantee a reasonable TCP packet size?
No. TCP is not a packet protocol, it is a stream protocol. It guarantees that the bytes you send will all arrive, and in the right order, but nothing else. In particular, TCP does not give you any kind of message or packet boundaries. If you want such things, they need to be implemented at a higher level by your protocol.