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I am currently a middle school computer science teacher.
I was wondering what was the best tool to demonstrate how easy it is to crack their password. (could be a program that I can install)
I want each students to enter what they think is a "hard" password and the rainbowtable will solve it and display the time/password. (I've done my research and looked at rainbow tables)
Hopefully this community can help me :)
Thank you in advance.
P.s sorry if this question isn't posted in the correct location.
Well...I'm not going to touch password cracking algorithms with a 10 foot pole, even for an academic discussion.
But, you could demonstrate using sleight of hand by putting a packet sniffer such as wireshark (or ethereal) between the hosts and an LDAP server and just capture each of their passwords in clear text on their way down.
You could also install a keystroke logger on each of the machines and just have it simply log their passwords to a file.
Either would be "cheating", but that's another valuable point that you could make. It really doesn't matter how strong your password is if someone can get access to it. The usual way that people get access to other peoples' sensitive data is through sleight of hand and deception, not brute force.
Brute force, such as rainbow tabling a hash can still be used, of course "to break through the front door." But, if someone "leaves the window open", why go through the trouble and take the conspicuous route?
(P.S. I personally think it's unwise to be discussing cryptographic attack methods in a middle school setting. If you are going to do this at all, I think it would be very dangerous to expose the method you used. I wouldn't mention the method to any of your students at all or I guarantee you are going to inspire several of them to go running amok)
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I came along this scenario while trying to find out a way to build a Decentralized and synchronized database structure which is open to everyone. Since both source code and database are public, I need to find out if there's a way to achieve a secure user authentication system. And if not, I'd like to know why not (it's not so obvious).
My idea is the next:
Suppose that I make it compulsory for users to have a password with numbers, capital letters and symbols (making it random so it does not appear in any dictionary). If I then use a hashing method with the greatest uniqueness, the possibility to crack this password will be very little.
Main problems:
Cracking dictionaries may content also those random-strange passwords.
Even if possibilites of cracking are few, crackers have all the time they want.
There must be an alternative:
Maybe I have to change the traditional user/password method, and make up something different. One solution could be sending each time a temporary access link to the user's mail (for which no one but himself knows password), but this is not a nice/comfortable way to access a website.
Thanks for reading. If you thing that I am trying something stupid, let me know and I'll be pleased (but I'd also appreciate a demonstration of my stupidity). Really, thanks.
Edit: I know I could use a third party service, like OpenId... but this is also a curiosity question for me ;)
"making it random so it does not appear in any dictionary"
You can't assume that. There are dictionaries with passwords made up of symbols and different characters.
Did you try having a look at Kerberos?
I am not sure if I understood your question correctly but I think You need to implement something like Kerberos.
I wanted to run some captcha possibities past people to see if they are easily by passed by bots etc.
What if colors were used - eg: there is a string of 10 characters are you ask people to type the red characters of where there are 5? Easy to bypass?
I've noticed a captcha on plentyoffish that involves typing in the characters under the circles. This seems a touch more complex - would this be more challenging for bots?
The other idea I was thinking was putting the requirement in an image as well meaning like in no. 1 above - you can put "type the red characters" in an image and this could change with different colors. Any value here?
Interested in what people think.
cheers
Colours are easy to bypass. A bot just takes the red channel and gets the answer. It is even easier than choosing between many possible solutions. The same applies to any noise that has another colour than the letters the user needs to find.
Symbols that don't touch the letters are very easy to ignore. Why would a bot even look at those circles that probably always stay at the same position? (valid but wasn't asked here)
Identifying circles or other symbols is easier than identifying letters, if one can do the latter, a simple symbol is no challenge.
I think captchas are used too frequently in places where they aren't the best tool. For instance, are you trying to prevent registration spam? Why use a captcha rather than email validation?
What are your intentions and have you considered alternatives to the (relatively ineffective) captcha technology?
As a side note, if you have to use them, I prefer KittyAuth myself :) http://thepcspy.com/kittenauth/#5
Color blind people will have trouble separating red from green letters. People who have trouble reading and understanding descriptions, or have other disabilities may have trouble reading the captchas too.
In some of these, the texts are so mangled that almost everyone has a hard time reading them.
I think captcha's, if used at all, should be quite easy to read. The one with the dots and triangles is doable, although it's a matter of time before someone writes an algorithm to hack them. It is very easy for computers to read this kind too.
The best way to deal with this, is increase moderation. Make your site so that it isn't rewarding to spam it at all. Don't make it the problem of your users.
Also, if you're gonna use captcha's, it may be better to build something yourself than to use common libraries. I've found that these are easier hacked, probably because it is more rewarding to write a captcha solver for something that is used by thhousands of sites.
No matter which CAPTCHA you construct, spammers will find a way to work around it, given enough incentive. Large CAPTCHA services like reCAPTCHA, for instance, get bypassed by outsourcing solving them to cheap labor in India(source).
If you run a small site, your best bet is to make your own mini-CAPTCHA, which asks a simple question. If it isn't a standard question, isn't a standard CAPTCHA module and isn't a large site, it isn't worth it for the spammers to automate bypassing it.
I've been working on a community site for an organization at my university, and we've had trouble with spammers registering, despite us using every CAPTCHA module in the book. As soon as we made our own simple one-question CAPTCHA, all spam stopped. The key to preventing this sort of spam often lies in uniqueness.
I am working on some application wich will get HDD serial number and then i will use that HDD serial number for licence (cd-key) registration with product. Now the problems wich i can come to:
User have 2 HDD's and once my application gets its serial from first HDD it will register with it so what if user later changes order of HDD's? if the seccond HDD becomes a Master and the first one becomes slave? could be solved with getting both and combine them togather but what if later he removes one then? :D
What if user's HDD dies and he buys new one? Is still same pc only another HDD. So the licence wont be walid anymore just because is another HDD.
Is it possible to fake it? Example i am using VB.net 2010 and application is working on framework(.net) so there is some "dll" wich is responsible to get the serial of HDD so would be possible to replace this "dll" (crack it) so it returns some hardcoded serial of hdd?!?
Could be possible to get processor serial? that would be much batter but could it be done? and does the processor have serial, i mean probably have but is it possible to get it? and same question as abowe could it be faked through changing "dll" or something?
anny other suggestions or experiances?
I seen there are more questions like this but couldnt find some answers so now i ask here!
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As talked below i forgot all .net can be decompiled in few secconds! so...
Making own installer. Why?
if i make an installer in wich you enter serial and only if serial is ok to use then install software so what it does? it extracts my software to your computer and again you have ".net" exe wich you can easely decompile and make a crack for it so where is point in making installation with serial!? or if my software is "protected" with some obfuscator so then installation with serial is unneded here i could then simply include serial registration in my software and using some booleans store registered=1||0
i got email from one person here, btw. duno where you got my mail :) and he says some smart things and why some of you people dont respond to my question and this discussion and what he says is this: "scared that others will see my code and how bad it is." so then people just dont want to spent time on this. well thats not problem i know my code is big "minestrone", big mess much words(variables) some on english some on croatian so on well my software is working thats important and i know i suc* we all suc* everyone knows something(more or batter) that the other one. anyway, thats not problem, problem is that i dont want that the software is open source lets say my software is "photoshop" and now someone downloads click there and there and have the whole code and can easely copy paste change few things and no problem he made good application :)
custom compiler? anyone have experiances? would it be ok for some time? :)
what other solution or language would be good to use in future to avoid this "open source" .net! i been looking around so for vb.net, c#, c++ is all based on .net so is all same. vb6 wich i love again same thing. they all can easely be decompiled! what language could not be so easy to decompile? should i switch to assembler? :D i joke, i hope! :p
maybe i just too much stressed up, much work! duno you decide :)
PLEASE READ MY QUESTION AND PLEASE DONT ANSWER ME SOMETHING LIKE "PIRACY CANOT BE STOPED BLA BLA" AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WASNT MY QUESTION! THANK YOU!
Sorry on bold big latters but some people read just title and then answer stupidities! If you want talk about it then read question and write otherwise dont post some stupidities please
Let me first answer your questions:
If the order of the HDDs changes, your application could still find that serial number within the system. However, in either case I would resort to a scheme where I use the device of the system partition or so.
If the HDD dies, the user will be in trouble. There is no good solution to that as long as you insist on your source for the uniqueness of the user's system: i.e. the HDD serial.
It's absolutely possible, yes. At different levels, though. A cracker would always choose the simplest method.
Yes. I'm afraid that will only work with unmanaged code, though. See Wikipedia. And yes, this could be circumvented again by DLL placement (see my comment on the question).
Now let me give you an advice that worked fine for me. Use the SID of the machine account (not to be confused with SYSTEM, which has a well-known SID). And before you counter with NewSid (which, by the way has been retired by MS), this is much more effort to change, especially in domain environments and can have very nasty and unforeseen effects. Therefore if you want to tie your application to a Windows installation, the SID will be sufficient. The SID has the same advantages as a UUID you could create, but it's not as easy to manipulate as a UUID that you store in the registry or a file.
Oh, and before I forget to mention it. Yes, even using the SID can be "cracked" in various ways. But it balances convenience for the user with your demand for security.
Yes, you have to be aware of that. You'll need several fall back methods to take care of this
You have to be aware of that as well.
Everything is fakeable with some energy behind it. However, why fake such an id if you simply can manipulate the program itself? All .net code can be disassembled and manipulated
I think this is possible as well, but would have the same problem behind it.
Other suggestion:
Just because there is piracy, don't make the experience bad for your customer. Use something that is reuseable (like a serial number or keyfile), invest in a good obfuscator to make it harder for somebody to inspect your code, but beyond all: Make your application stand out so people buy it. And even though you didn't ask for it, I have to say it - you can't stop piracy by enforcing orwellian-like surveillance of your program. This will drive customers away as it is a pain in the *ss to work with your application. With a serial or keyfile you still have some sort of protection, the customer likes it because it is easy to use, he doesn't have to call you/write a support ticket if his computer fails or the stars align unfavourable. Pirates will break it eventually, but your customer is happy, and that is what counts.
Anything you rely on which is in userland can and will be spoofed if it is worthwhile to the end user/attacker. So locking the licence to an HDD serial number will not put of attackers, but it will seriously upset your customers.
The same goes for processor serial numbers - it is too easy to pop some code inline to change what your application will read.
Your only reasonable bet will be dongles - ie specific hardware, or a way to get them to register and run with an online connection, so you can validate them using elements you control (although in saying that, if your app is high enough value, expect the dongle to be hacked/replicated too!)
Your biggest problem may be overdoing the security - if you get it wrong in any way you will alienate your customer base.
People regularly upgrade failed hard drives, or those which are too small, as well as most other components in their computers. If you stop them using your product, even for a couple of days, they are likely to look elsewhere!
You can do what you are suggesting, but there are issues. What you are suggesting is called "machine binding" in the licensing world. There are commercial tools that do this for you (disclaimer: I work for one such provider Wibu-Systems). What YOU are proposing has some pros and cons:
Pros: requires no separate hardware (dongle), you can roll your own, easy solution to implement at a basic level.
Cons: can be cracked in a matter of minutes, will create problems for users when they change the HW config or move the app to a new PC, rolling your own will introduce the oppty for new bugs in an area you apparently have no prior experience with.
Why not use a commercial solution? Would you write your own setup program, too? How about your own compiler, linker, and debugger?
How do you avoid session hijacking and other problems with remember me on logins? One thing i know is to add a md5 or the useragent, but that's isn't a very good protection in itself... is there smthng else too?
My general rule is: Do not incorporate such an option in an application where the user's login would be more important than the loss of their computer itself.
So... StackOverflow.com account? No biggie; if I lose my computer, that won't be among the things I'm really worrying about.
OTOH... my online banking account? No way I want anything on my computer beyond the mere presence of a bookmark to help anyone gain access to that account.
My opinion is that the other things are OK if you have the time/effort, but their effectiveness isn't all that great when you consider that the real, ultimate problem would be someone who has literally gained possession of their computer.
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Of all the forms of CAPTCHA available, which one is the "least crackable" while remaining fairly human readable?
I believe that CAPTCHA is dying. If someone really wants to break it, it will be broken. I read (somewhere, don't remember where) about a site that gave you free porn in exchange for answering CAPTCHAs to they can be rendered obsolete by bots. So, why bother?
Anyone who really wants to break this padlock can use a pair of bolt cutters, so why bother with the lock?
Anyone who really wants to steal this car can drive up with a tow truck, so why bother locking my car?
Anyone who really wants to open this safe can cut it open with an oxyacetylene torch, so why bother putting things in the safe?
Because using the padlock, locking your car, putting valuables in a safe, and using a CAPTCHA weeds out a large spectrum of relatively unsophisticated or unmotivated attackers. The fact that it doesn't stop sophisticated, highly motivated attackers doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all. Using a CAPTCHA isn't going to stop all spammers, but it's going to tremendously reduce the amount that requires filtering or manual intervention.
Heck look at the lame CAPTCHA that Jeff uses on his blog. Even a wimpy barrier like that still provides a lot of protection.
I agree with Thomas. Captcha is on its way out. But if you must use it, reCAPTCHA is a pretty good provider with a simple API.
I believe that CAPTCHA is dying. If someone really wants to break it, it will be broken. I read (somewhere, don't remember where) about a site that gave you free porn in exchange for answering CAPTCHAs to they can be rendered obsolete by bots. So, why bother?
If you're a small enough site, no one would bother.
If you're still looking for a CAPTCHA, I like tEABAG_3D by the OCR Research Team. It's complicated to break and uses your 3D vision. Plus, it being developed by people who break CAPTCHAs for fun.
If you're just looking for a captcha to prevent spammers from bombing your blog, the best option is something simple but unique. For example, ask to write the word "Cat" into a box. The advantage of this is that no targeted captcha-breaker was developed for this solution, and your small blog isn't important enough for someone to actually develop one. I've used such a captcha on my blog with some success for a couple of years now.
This information is hard to really know because I believe a CAPTCHA gets broken long before anybody knows about it. There is economic incentive for those that break them to keep it quiet.
I used to work with a guy whose job revolved mostly around breaking CAPTCHA's and I can tell you the one giving them fits currently is reCAPTCHA.
Now, does that mean it will forever, call me skeptical.
I wonder if a CAPTCHA mechanism that uses collage made of pictures and asks human to type what he sees in the collage image will be much more crack-proof than the text and number image one. Imagine that the mechanism stitches pictures of cat, cup and car into a collage image and expects human visitor to tick (checkboxes) cat, cup, and car. How long do you think will hackers and crackers will come up with an algorithm to crack the mechanism (i.e. extract image elements from the collage and recognize the object depicted by each picture) ...
If you wanted you could try out the Microsoft Research project Asirra: http://research.microsoft.com/asirra/
CAPTCHAS, I believe should start being considered heavily when designing the UX. They're slow, cumbersome, and a very poor user experience. They are useful, don't get me wrong but perhaps you should look into designing a honeypot.
A honeypot is created by adding a hiddenfield at the bottom of the form. Because spam bots will fill in all the fields on the page blindly you can do a check:
If honeypotfield <> Empty Then
"No Spam TY"
Else
//Proceed with the form
End If
This works until there is a specifically designed spambot for your site, so they can choose to fill out selected input fields.
For more information: http://haacked.com/archive/2007/09/11/honeypot-captcha.aspx/
As far as I know, the Google's one is the best that there is. It hasn't been broken by computer programs yet. What I know that the crackers have been doing is to copy the image and then send it to many phishing websites where humans solve them to enter those websites.
It doesn't matter if captchas are broken or not now -- there are Indian firms that do nothing but process captchas. I'm with the rest of the group in saying that Captchas are on their way out.
Here is a cool link to create CAPTCHA..... http://www.codeproject.com/aspnet/CaptchaImage.asp
Just.. don't.. There are several reasons use of captcha is not advised.
http://www.interfacegeek.com/dont-ever-use-captchas/
I use uniqpin.com - it's easy to use and not annoying for users. So, bots can recognise a text, but can't recognize a image.
Death by Captcha can solve any Regular CAPTCHA (incude reCAPTCHA), but not Speedcoin Cryptocurrency Captcha.
Death by Captcha - http://deathbycaptcha.com
Speedcoin Captcha - http://speedcoin.co/info/captcha/Speedcoin_Captcha.html