I am sure that this is answered dozens of times, but I am at a loss as to what keywords to search for and thus I hope that someone can at least tell me where I should be looking given an explanation of my scenario.
I need two services (one can be just a client if that is easier) to talk to each other, but the client will be on a private network whereas the server will be on the internet. I want to be able to push jobs to the client, but the server obviously does not have an IP to hit the client. I'd rather not poll from the client every X seconds. I have read various topics all circling this issue and so I am going to throw out a few terms that I think are relevant, but I am not sure which to use or exactly how.
Comet, SignalR, WebSockets, XSockets, Publisher/Subscriber Pattern...
I have looked at each of these and I am not sure which is the right way to go. The client can certainly "subscribe" to the server on startup, so that should not be an issue. But the client should be either a console app, windows service, or WCF service. It seems Comet and SignalR are more for ASP.NET apps, where the client is JS in a browser. I just need "server(client)" to server connection where the client is behind firewalls.
Which of these terms (or none of them) is a good way to handle server -> client push notifications?
Pub/Sub architecture pattern with something like Azure Service Bus should help you create the solution you desire. This does require that service and the client are aware of the bus. For the plumbing of the client and the services use the WCF which has built in bindings to facilitate the use of this pattern.
Azure: How to Use Service Bus Topics/Subscriptions.
Azure SB has a counter part that works on-premises as well. There are other popular message bus tech (NServiceBus, MasTransit, etc.)
You can have a look at node.js together with socket.io.
This will give everything you need.
socket.io uses web sockets, and if the browser does not support web sockets, it gracefully falls back to other communication mechanism like xhr, flash, polling, aso.
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I have a system whereby a server pushes information from a central DB out to many client DBs (cross-domain via internet), and periodically they call services on the server. This has to withstand intermittent connections, ie queue messages.
I've created a development version using duplex MSMQ that I'm trying to apply transport security. From the reading I've done, it appears that:
MSMQ uses AD Windows Security, which is irrelevant cross-domain.
Due to the nature of duplex, each client is effectively a server as well. That means I need to pay $1200 every time I install the system with another client if I want to use SSL.
Are these facts correct? Am I really the only person who needs to secure services that are queued AND cross-domain AND duplex?
"MSMQ uses AD Windows Security, which is irrelevant cross-domain."
No, MSMQ uses Windows security which includes local accounts and, if available, domain accounts. MSMQ also uses certificates, if available.
"Due to the nature of duplex, each client is effectively a server as
well."
MSMQ doesn't use a client-server model. All MSMQ machines are effectively peers, sending messages between each other. For the $1,200 payment, are you referring to the certificate needed by the web service for sending MSMQ over HTTPS?
This is the first time I've seen anyone want to push secure messages over HTTPS to multiple destinations.
You may, in fact, be the only person in the world right now who wants to do this.
Let me embellish.
Not many companies are using MSMQ (in the grand scheme of things).
Of those that are, the vast majority are using only private queues, a small minority only use public queues.
Of those that are, only a handful are using it across the internet.
Of those that are, perhaps one is using it to exchange messages in both directions (that would be yours).
But that aside, it seems to me your main challenge will be using MSMQ as a secure transport layer over the internet. Although I have never had to do this, here are a couple of articles:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms701477(v=vs.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc164041.aspx
Sorry couldn't be of more help.
After developing mini project with WCF duplex (Chat Service | Sms Service), I got a Point that maybe not be correct!!
I believed Duplex theory is good and useful but there is a lot problem about using Wcf Duplex. (like reliable session, Time-out exceptions, Client address-Management on server side, proxy management on Client Side)
am I think wrong ? am I miss something?
For more Information I Used wsDualHttpBinding not tcpBinding.
If you need bidirectional communication and you want to use WCF, duplex channels are the way to go. You just need to design your application correctly and correctly handle all problems you have described. If you feel that these problems are overhead and make things even worse you can always use network programming directly (sockets) or handle bidirectional communication by yourselves exposing separate service on server and another on client (where first call from client inform server about clients address) - this scenario will suffer from the same communication problems as WsDualHttpBinding.
WsDualHttpBinding itself is special kind of duplex communication. I personally don't like it because people very often misuse it. The problem is that this binding uses two separate connections - one from client to server and second from server to client. That is big difference to net.tcp where only connection initiated from client to server is used. Obviously using WsDualHttpBinding over internet (= you don't have control over client machines) becomes much more complicated because each client must configure its firewall (in computer, on home internet gateway, etc.) to allow connection on some port. Also if you want to run more then one instance of application on the same client machine, each instance must use its own port.
I want to communicate xml serialized objects from the server to the client and the other way arround. Now it is (probably) easy to invoke methods from a mobile client (compact framework) using WCF, but is there a way so that the server can invoke methods on the client side or some other way to pull data from the client? I know that callback contracts are not available in the compact framework as you can see here: http://blogs.msdn.com/andrewarnottms/archive/2007/09/13/calling-wcf-services-from-netcf-3-5-using-compact-wcf-and-netcfsvcutil-exe.aspx
Originally I thought of socket programming and of developing this by myself, then someone here mentioned WCF. But it seems like WCF only would work in a non mobile environment as I need callbacks.
Anyone can help me with this? Is it possible to develop a two way communication with a desktop server and multiple mobile clients using WCF, or will I have to do socket programming?
Thanks for any advice or any kind of help!
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Thank you for your help. I actually stumbled across your Padran web server before.Havent really checked it out yet. But I definitely will do that later on. Anyway, a socket solution does not seem that bad at the moment. In the meanwhile I figured that it is quite easy to send data from multiple clients to a 'socket server'. If I can manage those connections somehow I can send data back to the clients. And then I would have to come up with some kind if protocol which handles the data or commands I send over the network... I guess the hardest part would be to make up such a protocol as I do not have a clue about that atm...
Even if you go to sockets it might be a bit difficult due to routing, carrier filtering and NAT translations (you've not mentioned what your actual network topology is). This is the reason that most mobile applications have to poll the server, even if it is a "push" paradigm (like Exchange's push mechanism, where the client actually polls).
Generally speaking, unless you're on something like a local wireless network where you have solid, routable, unfiltered network access, the client should periodically call the server and ask if the server has data. If it does, then it pulls the data from the server.
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Now that we know a little more about your topolgy from your comment, I can steer you a little more. Unfortunately Microsoft has not made it easy for Windwos CE devices to host services (WCF or otherwise). There is, in theory, the required infrstructure to build up your own WCF channel and actually host a service, but it's not a trivial task. I looked into it quite some time ago and figured it was a couple months of work and that would have been with the assistance of someone in Redmond that knew how the existing Exchange channel works.
Personally I'd opt for hosting a REST-based web service using our Padarn web server because it's simple to do and I've done it for quite a number of clients now. I realize that it's a little self-serving to propose Padarn as a solution but the entire reason I implemented custom IHttpHandlers in Padarn was because I couldn't find anything else out there that really provided any easy way for a CE device to host it's own services and it's a problem we often have to provide a solution for.
The other options would be things like a proprietary socket solution, hosting an FTP server on the device, using the (abhorrent, IMO) MS-provided HTTP server with ISAPI, Telnet or something along those lines. All of them seem either a hack, a lot of work or both.
Just a technology update, now that .NET 4.0 is out.
I write an application that communicates to the server through what is basically a message bus (instead of method calls). This is based on the internal architecture of the application (which is multi threaded, passing the messages around).
There are a limited number of messages to go from the client to the server, quite a lot more from the server to the client. Most of those can be handled via a separate specialized mechanism, but at the end we talk of possibly 10-100 small messages per second going from the server to the client.
The client is supposed to operate under "internet conditions". THis means possibly home end users behind standard NAT devices (i.e. typical DSL routers) - a firewalled secure and thus "open" network can not be assumed.
I want to have as little latency and as little overhad for the communication as possible.
What is the technologally best way to handle the message bus callback? I Have no problem regularly calling to the server for message delivery if something needs to be sent...
...but what are my options to handle the messagtes from the server to the client?
WsDualHttp does work how? Especially under a NAT scenario?
Just as a note: polling is most likely out - the main problem here is that I would have a significant overhead OR a significant delay, both aren ot really wanted. Technically I would love some sort of streaming appraoch, where the server can write messags to a stream while he generates them and they get sent to the client as they come. Not esure this is doable with WCF, though (if not, I may acutally decide to handle the whole message part outside of WCF and just do control / login / setup / destruction via WCF).
For bidirectional communications, your best bet is NetTcpBinding, rather than the http bindings, if they're available.
This has the advantage of only requiring that the client can initiate a connection with the server.
I would go with Windows Azure Service Bus. See my answer in the following question:
WCF, 4.0, Bidirectional
Take a look at Windows AppFabric, good place to start is Here. It fundamentally wraps up WCF and WF into an application server, with WCF activation supported through WAS. Its where I would host this type of app. It offerd full duplex connection orientated, p2p or sessions between client and server. Don't confuse the Windows appfabric with Azure appfabric, (formely called Azure Service Bus).
As regards bindings above, both NetTcpBinding and WsDualHttp offer callbacks, but the ws binding you get a lot for your cash, especially if it's a mixed programming environment and you have to flatten the wsdl to make interop work. I also think that WsDual is easier on routers traversal, although I understand talking to friends, that Windows AppFabric mitigates this, with new Relay Services, (which i've not seen, and I think have now been renamed).
Hope that helps.
I have a server that needs to keep a small number of clients in sync. Whenever there is a change of state at the server, all the connected clients must be informed.
I am planning to use a “callback
contract”,
I can get hold of the
callback reference for each client on
the server by using
GetCallbackChanel().
I then need
to manage all these client channel
reference and call all of them when
needed.
So far so good however:
I don’t wish to block the server, so calls to the clients must be none blocking
Errors calling the client must be logged and coped with
Is there a standard WCF component to do this?
No, there is not a standard WCF component for this, at least through .NET 3.5. I can't speak to what may be available in .NET 4.0.
That said, there is a pretty straightforward way to do this. Juval Lowy, author of Programming WCF Services, describes how to do this using his WCF-based Publish-Subscribe Framework.
Basically, the idea is to create a separate WCF event service that resides in the same hosting application as your server (e.g., Windows service, IIS). When the state of your server changes, you publish the state change to the event service. The clients that need to be kept in sync subscribe to this same event via the event service. In effect, the event service becomes a broker for your server to notify clients of whatever events your server publishes.
The article I listed above has a code download, but you can also get the Publish-Subscribe Framework and a working example for free from his website, IDesign.net. Here is the link to the download. You may need to scroll your browser up just a little bit to see it as I believe their internal hyperlink is wrong.