For the company I work for we would like to use RabbitMQ as our main message bus. The idea we have is that every single application uses their own vhost for internal communication and that via the shovel or federation plugin we would make it possible to share certain type of the events across multiple vhosts (maybe even multiple machines (non-clustered)).
We chose for application per vhost to separate internal communication from public events and to keep the security adjustable per application.
Based on the information published on the RabbitMQ website I don't get it when I have to choose for shovels or when I have to choose for the federation plugin.
RabbitMQ has the following explanation when to use what:
Typically you would use the shovel to link brokers across the internet when you need more control than federation provides.
What is the fine grain control in shovels which I am missing when I choose for federation?
At this moment I think I would prefer the federation plugin because I could automate the inter-vhost-communication via the REST API provided by the federation plugin.
In case of shovels I would need to change the shovel configuration and reboot the RabbitMQ instance every time we would like to share an event between vhosts. Are my thoughts correct about this?
We are currently running RMQ on Windows with clients connecting from .NET. In the near future Java/Perl/PHP clients will join.
To summarize my questions:
What is the fine grain control in shovels which I am missing when I
choose for federation?
Is it correct that the only way to change the
inter-vhost-communication when I use shovels is by changing theconfig file and rebooting the instance?
Does the setup (vhost per application) make sense or am I missing the point completely?
Shovels and queue provide different means to be forward messages from one RabbitMQ node to another.
Federated Exchange
With a federated exchange, queues can be connected to the queue on the upstream(source) node. In addition, an exchange on the downstream(destination) node will receive a copy of messages that are published to the upstream node.
Federated exchanges are a similar to exchange-to-exchange bindings, in that, they can (optionally) subscribe to a limited set of messages from an upstream exchange.
Federated Queue
(NOTE: These are new in RabbitMQ 3.2.x)
With a federated queue, consumers can be connected to the queue on both the upstream(source) and downstream(destination) nodes.
In essence the downstream queue is a consumer on the upstream queue, with the expectation that there will be additional downstream consumers that process the messages in the same manner as a consumer attached to the upstream queue.
Any messages consumed by the downstream (federated) queue will not be available for consumers on the upstream queue.
Use Case:
If consumers are being migrated from one node to another, a federated queue will allow this to happen without messages being missed, or processed twice.
Use Case: from the RabbitMQ docs
The typical use would be to have the same "logical" queue distributed
over many brokers. Each broker would declare a federated queue with
all the other federated queues upstream. (The links would form a
complete bi-directional graph on n queues.)
Shovel
Shovels on the other hand, attach an "upstream" queue to a "downstream" exchange. (I place the terms in quotes because the shovel documentation does not describe the nodes with the same semantics as the federation documentation.)
The shovel consumes the messages from the queue and sends them to the exchange on the destination node. (NOTE: While not normally discussed as part of this the pattern, there is nothing stopping a consumer from connecting to the queue on the origin node.)
To answer the specific questions:
What is the fine grain control in shovels which I am missing when I
choose for federation?
A shovel does not have to reside on an "upstream" or "downstream" node. It can be configured and operate from an independent node.
A shovel can create all of the elements of the linkage by itself: the source queue, the bindings of the queue, and the destination exchange. Thus, it is non-invasive to either the source or destination node.
Is it correct that the only way to change the
inter-vhost-communication when I use shovels is by changing theconfig
file and rebooting the instance?
This has generally been the accepted downside of the shovel.
With the following command (caveat: only tested on RabbitMQ 3.1.x, and with a very specific rabbitmq.config file that only contain ) you can reload a shovel configuration from the specified file. (in this case /etc/rabbitmq/rabbitmq.config)
rabbitmqctl eval 'application:stop(rabbitmq_shovel), {ok, [[{rabbit, _}|[{rabbitmq_shovel, [{shovels, Shovels}] }]]]} = file:consult("/etc/rabbitmq/rabbitmq.config"), application:set_env(rabbitmq_shovel, shovels, Shovels), application:start(rabbitmq_shovel).'
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Does the setup (vhost per application) make sense or am I missing the
point completely?
This decision is going to depend on your use case. vhosts primarily provide logical (and access) separation between queues/exchanges and authorized users.
Shovel acts like a well-designed built-in consumer. It can consume messages from a source broker and queue, and publish them into a destination broker and exchange. You could write an application to do that, but shovel already got it right - if all you need is to move messages from a queue to an exchange in the same or another broker, shovel can do it for you. Just as a well-behaving app, it can declare exchanges/queues/bindings, reconnect, change the routing key etc. You can set it up on the source or on the destination broker, or even use a third broker. It's basically an AMQP client.
Federation, on the other hand is used to connect your broker to one or multiple upstream brokers, or you can even create chains of brokers, bending the topology any way you like. You can federate exchanges or queues, and e.g. distribute messages to multiple brokers without the need to bind additional queues to a topic exchange or using a fanout exchange, and shoveling messages from each queue to a downstream broker.
To recap, federation operates at a higher level, while shovel is mostly "just" a well-written client.
To reconfigure shovel, you have to restart the broker, unfortunately.
I don't think you really need a per app vhost. You can add a per-app user to the broker without separate vhosts. Not sure what you mean on "share an event between vhosts", though.
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It seems that I am hitting a limitation in RMQ regarding the federation. I tried different setups and configurations but I can't receive more than 4-7k messages per seconds (depend on if I configure the federation as on-publish or no-ack).
The things that I already tried:
federation with different configs (with and without prefetch, ack, etc)
multiple exchanges in RMQ1 and create the same number of federations in RMQ2 and each federation point to one different exchange in RMQ1
federation to queues
Using the Consistent Hash Exchange (https://github.com/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-consistent-hash-exchange)
shovel (same message rate as federation)
I want to know how I can transfer more messages from one RMQ to another.
This is a limitation of RMQ itself: https://github.com/rabbitmq/discussions/issues/65
I have a cluster of rabbitmq servers. But the machines where the servers are hosted show differences in terms of installed software. So, they have no overlapping capabilities, they are specialized workers, for example, only one node has email software installed.
I know that a queue is bound to the node on which is created. My question is, how I can set up my queues so I can send certain messages to the special endowed node, where my special software is waiting for work, bypassing rabbitmq distributing messages round-robin algorithm.
Maybe that is not a solution, am open to any working solution
You could always connect to the IP address of the specific node in the cluster, rather than connecting to some kind of a load balancer that is in front of the cluster - so specify a different IP in the client's method for opening the connection. This of course defeats the purpose of the cluster, but it seems to me that your setup does the same thing :)
By rabbitmq server do you mean actual rabbitmq server or clients/workers?
If I understand correctly, you can create a single exchange of type "topic". For each worker create an exclusive queue and bind it to the exchange with some unique routing key which in your case will be the feature of the host. When submitting a message to the exchange, use the feature as a routing key. The message will be routed to the appropriate host.
I have a design for a RabbitMQ topology, but recently learned that RabbitMQ federation ignores messages that aren't "directly published" to the upstream exchange. This is a problem, because I am using a combination of exchange-to-exchange bindings and federation, so my setup isn't working.
Essentially, our setup is to have messages flowing into one exchange on an "inbound" server, federated to an exchange on a "routing" server, which is bound to another exchange on a routing server, which is federated to an "outgoing" server (which is where clients create queues and bind them). The reasoning behind the exchange-to-exchange binding is to force the routing to happen there, instead of allowing it to happen all the way upstream as would occur without that link. For load reasons, we can't afford for the routing to happen upstream in the "inbound" servers.
Is there a way to re-publish messages in the routing server so federation picks them up, or something to that effect? Is there something other than federation I should use in this topology?
Yes, the shovel plugin allows you to do just that. It consumes from one exchange and re-publishes to another, and the exchanges can be on the same or different nodes.
Is it possible to use federations or shovels to mirror the creation of exchanges and queues on one server to another ?
All the examples I've seen of using shovels and federations use exchanges and queues that already exist on the servers. What I want to do is create an exchange on server A and have a federation or shovel re-create it on Server B then start to send messages to it.
If this cannot be done with a federation or shovel is there anyway of achieving this without using clustering, the connection between the two servers is not consistent so clustering isn't possible.
I'm running RabbitMQ on windows.
You can use the federation plug-in.
It supports the exchange exchange and the queue federation, in order to mirror the queues and exchanges you can configure a policies ( using the management console or command line),for example with this parameters:
Name: my_policy
Pattern: ^mirr\. <---- mirror exchanges and queues with prefix “mirr.”
Definition: federation-upstream-set:all
you can apply the configuration for exchanges and queues, as:
The pattern policy supports regular expression
In this way each new or old exchange or queue that starts with the prefix “mirr.” will be mirrored to the other broker.
I think this could solve your problem.
Unfortunately in this way it is not possible to do this, because the connection is a point-to-point connection. You have to link a exchange with a remote exchange and in your topology this cant be created automatically.
I had also this problem in the past. And how i resolved the problem was over a business logic side. If there was a need for a new Exchange/Queue "on the fly", my data input gateway recognized this and created on the local and on the remote exchange the new exchange and queues with the connection, before the message was sent to RabbitMQ.
I've got a webservice that accepts messages that can be sent to a RabbitMQ cluster using whatever queue they define. This is so front-end devs can send messages via javascript.
I want to make the webservice more robust so that when we have network trouble, the webservice can still accept messages and then handle them when the network is back up. After some initial reading, it seems that the Shovel plugin should handle this nicely.
What I was thinking was to install a local instance of RabbitMQ on the webservice box with shovel turned on. I can then send all messages through the local RabbitMQ instance and have it push all messages to the cluster and deal with the network problems.
My problem is after looking at the documentation it seems that I have to configure every queue I want to forward to in the shovel config file. If that's the case I'm not sure this will work since we allow clients to define a queue through the webservice on the fly.
I would like to have the webservice take the messages, hand them off to the local rmq instance and have it pass the messages off to the cluster using the same queues/exachanges/etc.
Has anyone tried this or can explain how the shovel plugin works?
Have you considered sending messages to an exchange instead of a queue. Send all messages to one exchange possibly a topic exchange if you need that kind of flexibility. Then have the consumer handle the different messages or different queues from the exchange. Sending to one exchange would make configuring the shovel considerably easier.