I am interested knowing the best approach for bulk memory copies on an x86 architecture. I realize this depends on machine-specific characteristics. The main target is typical desktop machines made in the last 4-5 years.
I know that in the old days MOVSD with REPE was nominally the fastest approach because you could move 4 bytes at a time, but I have read that nowadays MOVSB is just as fast and is simpler to write, so you may as well do a byte move and just forget about the complexities of a 4-byte move.
A surrounding question is whether MOVxx instructions are worth it at all. If the CPU can run so much faster than the memory bus, then maybe it is pointless to use a CISC move and you may as well use a plain MOV. This would be most attractive because then I could use the same algorithms on other processor architectures like ARM. This brings up the analogous question of whether ARM's specialized instructions for bulk memory moves (which are totally different than Intels) are worth it or not.
Note: I have read section 3.7.6 in the Intel Optimization Reference Manual so I am familiar with the basics. I am hoping someone can relate practical experience in the area beyond what is in this manual.
Modern Intel and AMD processors have optimisations on REP MOVSB that make it copy entire cache lines at a time if it can, making it the best (may not be fastest, but pretty close) method of copying bulk data.
As for ARM, it depends on the architecture version, but in general using an unrolled loop would be the most efficient.
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We used the LPC546xx family microcontroller in our project, currently, at the initial stage, we are finalizing the software and hardware requirements. The basic firmware size (which contains RTOS, 3rd party stack, library, etc...) currently is 480 KB. Now once full application developed than the size will exceed the internal flash size (512KB) and plus we needed storage which can hold firmware update image separately.
So we planned to use SPI flash (S25LP064A-JBLE, http://www.issi.com/WW/pdf/IS25LP032-064-128.pdf, serial flash memory) of 4MB\8MB to boot and run firmware.
is it recommended to run code from SPI flash? how can I map external flash memory directly to CPU memory space? Can anyone give an example that contains this memory mapping(linker script etc..) or demo application in which LPC546xx uses SPI FLASH?
Generally speaking it's not recommended, or differently put: the closer to the CPU the better. Both S25LP064A and LPC546xx however support XIP, so it is viable.
This is not a trivial issue as many aspects are affecting. I.e. issue is best avoided and should really have been ironed out in the planning stage. Embedded Systems are more about compromising than anything and making the right/better choices takes skill end experience.
Same question with replies on the NXP forum: link
512K of NVRAM is huge. There are almost certainly room for optimisations even if 3'rd party libraries are used.
On a related note this discussion concerning XIP should give valuable insight: link.
I would strongly encourage use of file-systems if not done already, for which external storage is much better suited. The further from the computational unit, the more relevant. That's not XIP and the penalty is copy-to-RAM either way you do it. I.e. performance will be slower. But in my experience, the need for speed has often-times not been thoroughly considered and at least partially greatly overestimated.
Regarding your mentioning of RTOS and FW-upgrade:
Unless it's a poor RTOS there's file-system awareness built in. Especially for FW upgrading (Note: you'll need room for 3 images, factory reset included), unless already supported by the SoC-vendor by some other means (OTA), it will make life much easier and less risky. If there's no FS-awareness, it can be added.
FW upgrade requires a lot of extra storage. More if simpler. Simpler is however also safer which especially for FW upgrades matters hugely. In the simplest case (binary flat image), you'll need at least twice the amount of memory you're already consuming.
All-in-all: I think the direction you're going is viable and depending on the actual situation perhaps your only choice.
I was wondering if a GPU could behave like a CPU if modified or programmed to do so. If there is a way, I would also like to know how that could be done. The reason why is, well, sometimes I do that kind of stuff as experiments, just for fun. Plus, if it isn't a big hassle, then it would be much better than buying an expensive processor just to get better performance. I usually don't need my GPU, only because I use my computer for the simplest of things. My other computer, that's a slightly different story (because I use it for video playback), but you get the idea.
Yes, it's called GPGPU (general purpose GPU), and with it you could program some CPU-like workloads on your GPU using languages like CUDA or OpenCL.
Of course this method doesn't work well with any workload, the CPU is still much better in single-threaded hard-to-parallelize codes, or codes with complicated control flow (due to branch predictors) or memory locality (due to better caching and prefetching). GPGPUs are mostly better for performing very straight-forward highly parallel vectorizable code.
In fact, this method of computation caught enough traction to create a new lines of products, (such as Xeon Phi, formely Larrabee), and enhancing existing GPUs (e.g. Tesla/Fermi, and others)
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Having reread your question - if you mean running actual CPU ISA on such GPGPU, not just some general CPU task, then the best bet is Xeon Phi mentioned above, it's intended to be based on the same ISA as the CPU (it's the only x86 GPGPU I know of).
(i) If a Program is optimised for one CPU class (e.g. Multi-Core Core i7)
by compiling the Code on the same , then will its performance
be at sub-optimal level on other CPUs from older generations (e.g. Pentium 4)
... Optimizing may prove harmful for performance on other CPUs..?
(ii)For optimization, compilers may use x86 extensions (like SSE 4) which are
not available in older CPUs.... so ,Is there a fall-back to some non-extensions
based routine on older CPUs..?
(iii)Is Intel C++ Compiler is more optimizing than Visual C++ Compiler or GCC..
(iv) Will a truly Multi-Core Threaded application will perform effeciently on a
older CPUs (like Pentium III or 4)..?
Compiling on a platform does not mean optimizing for this platform. (maybe it's just bad wording in your question.)
In all compilers I've used, optimizing for platform X does not affect the instruction set, only how it is used, e.g. optimizing for i7 does not enable SSE2 instructions.
Also, optimizers in most cases avoid "pessimizing" non-optimized platforms, e.g. when optimizing for i7, typically a small improvement on i7 will not not be chosen if it means a major hit for another common platform.
It also depends in the performance differences in the instruction sets - my impression is that they've become much less in the last decade (but I haven't delved to deep lately - might be wrong for the latest generations). Also consider that optimizations make a notable difference only in few places.
To illustrate possible options for an optimizer, consider the following methods to implement a switch statement:
sequence if (x==c) goto label
range check and jump table
binary search
combination of the above
the "best" algorithm depends on the relative cost of comparisons, jumps by fixed offsets and jumps to an address read from memory. They don't differ much on modern platforms, but even small differences can create a preference for one or other implementation.
It is probably true that optimising code for execution on CPU X will make that code less optimal on CPU Y than the same code optimised for execution on CPU Y. Probably.
Probably not.
Impossible to generalise. You have to test your code and come to your own conclusions.
Probably not.
For every argument about why X should be faster than Y under some set of conditions (choice of compiler, choice of CPU, choice of optimisation flags for compilation) some clever SOer will find a counter-argument, for every example a counter-example. When the rubber meets the road the only recourse you have is to test and measure. If you want to know whether compiler X is 'better' than compiler Y first define what you mean by better, then run a lot of experiments, then analyse the results.
I) If you did not tell the compiler which CPU type to favor, the odds are that it will be slightly sub-optimal on all CPUs. On the other hand, if you let the compiler know to optimize for your specific type of CPU, then it can definitely be sub-optimal on other CPU types.
II) No (for Intel and MS at least). If you tell the compiler to compile with SSE4, it will feel safe using SSE4 anywhere in the code without testing. It becomes your responsibility to ensure that your platform is capable of executing SSE4 instructions, otherwise your program will crash. You might want to compile two libraries and load the proper one. An alternative to compiling for SSE4 (or any other instruction set) is to use intrinsics, these will check internally for the best performing set of instructions (at the cost of a slight overhead). Note that I am not talking about instruction instrinsics here (those are specific to an instruction set), but intrinsic functions.
III) That is a whole other discussion in itself. It changes with every version, and may be different for different programs. So the only solution here is to test. Just a note though; Intel compilers are known not to compile well for running on anything other than Intel (e.g.: intrinsic functions may not recognize the instruction set of a AMD or Via CPU).
IV) If we ignore the on-die efficiencies of newer CPUs and the obvious architecture differences, then yes it may perform as well on older CPU. Multi-Core processing is not dependent per se on the CPU type. But the performance is VERY dependent on the machine architecture (e.g.: memory bandwidth, NUMA, chip-to-chip bus), and differences in the Multi-Core communication (e.g.: cache coherency, bus locking mechanism, shared cache). All this makes it impossible to compare newer and older CPU efficiencies in MP, but that is not what you are asking I believe. So on the whole, a MP program made for newer CPUs, should not be using less efficiently the MP aspects of older CPUs. Or in other words, just tweaking the MP aspects of a program specifically for an older CPU will not do much. Obviously you could rewrite your algorithm to more efficiently use a specific CPU (e.g.: A shared cache may permit you to use an algorithm that exchanges more data between working threads, but this algo will die on a system with no shared cache, full bus lock and low memory latency/bandwidth), but it involves a lot more than just MP related tweaks.
(1) Not only is it possible but it has been documented on pretty much every generation of x86 processor. Go back to the 8088 and work your way forward, every generation. Clock for clock the newer processor was slower for the current mainstream applications and operating systems (including Linux). The 32 to 64 bit transition is not helping, more cores and less clock speed is making it even worse. And this is true going backward as well for the same reason.
(2) Bank on your binaries failing or crashing. Sometimes you get lucky, most of the time you dont. There are new instructions yes, and to support them would probably mean trap for an undefined instruction and have a software emulation of that instruction which would be horribly slow and the lack of demand for it means it is probably not well done or just not there. Optimization can use new instructions but more than that the bulk of the optimization that I am guessing you are talking about has to do with reordering the instructions so that the various pipelines do not stall. So you arrange them to be fast on one generation processor they will be slower on another because in the x86 family the cores change too much. AMD had a good run there for a while as they would make the same code just run faster instead of trying to invent new processors that eventually would be faster when the software caught up. No longer true both amd and intel are struggling to just keep chips running without crashing.
(3) Generally, yes. For example gcc is a horrible compiler, one size fits all fits no one well, it can never and will never be any good at optimizing. For example gcc 4.x code is slower on gcc 3.x code for the same processor (yes all of this is subjective, it all depends on the specific application being compiled). The in house compilers I have used were leaps and bounds ahead of the cheap or free ones (I am not limiting myself to x86 here). Are they worth the price though? That is the question.
In general because of the horrible new programming languages and gobs of memory, storage, layers of caching, software engineering skills are at an all time low. Which means the pool of engineers capable of making a good compiler much less a good optimizing compiler decreases with time, this has been going on for at least 10 years. So even the in house compilers are degrading with time, or they just have their employees to work on and contribute to the open source tools instead having an in house tool. Also the tools the hardware engineers use are degrading for the same reason, so we now have processors that we hope to just run without crashing and not so much try to optimize for. There are so many bugs and chip variations that most of the compiler work is avoiding the bugs. Bottom line, gcc has singlehandedly destroyed the compiler world.
(4) See (2) above. Don't bank on it. Your operating system that you want to run this on will likely not install on the older processor anyway, saving you the pain. For the same reason that the binaries optimized for your pentium III ran slower on your Pentium 4 and vice versa. Code written to work well on multi core processors will run slower on single core processors than if you had optimized the same application for a single core processor.
The root of the problem is the x86 instruction set is dreadful. So many far superior instructions sets have come along that do not require hardware tricks to make them faster every generation. But the wintel machine created two monopolies and the others couldnt penetrate the market. My friends keep reminding me that these x86 machines are microcoded such that you really dont see the instruction set inside. Which angers me even more that the horrible isa is just an interpretation layer. It is kinda like using Java. The problems you have outlined in your questions will continue so long as intel stays on top, if the replacement does not become the monopoly then we will be stuck forever in the Java model where you are one side or the other of a common denominator, either you emulate the common platform on your specific hardware, or you are writing apps and compiling to the common platform.
How is programming for the Cell Processor on the PS3 different than programming for any other processor found on a normal desktop?
What kind of programming paradigms, techniques, and practices are used to fully utilize the Cell Processors potential?
All the articles I hear concerning PS3 development discuss, "Learning how to program on the Cell Processor." What does this really mean beyond some hand waving?
In addition to everything George mentions, the SPUs are really better thought of as streaming vector processors. They work best when you have an algorithm that works on long sequences of numerical data, which can be fed through the SPU's limited memory via DMA, rather than having the SPU load a chunk of memory, try to operate on it, find that it needs to follow a pointer to somewhere outside its memory, load that, keep going, find another one, and so on.
So, programming for them isn't a simple model of concurrency and threads; it's more like high performance numerical or scientific computation. It is also non-uniform memory access taken to an extreme.
Furthermore, every processor is in-order with deep pipelines, so the programmer has to be much more aware of data hazards and instruction bubbles and all the numerous micro-optimizations that we are told the compiler "should" take care of for us (but it really doesn't). Things like mispredicted branches, load-hit-stores, cache misses, etc. hurt a lot more than they would on an out-of-order processor that could juggle the order of operations around to hide such latencies.
For concrete examples, check out Mike Acton's CellPerformance blog. Mike is my favorite old-school assembly-happy perf curmudgeon in the business, and he's really earned his chops on this issue.
The Cell part of the PS3 consists of 6 SPU processors. They each have 256 KB of non-shared memory and are connected via a high-speed ring that allows for DMA between each other and the PowerPC host processor. They are not pipelined or cached. This makes it rather different than an multi-core x86 with shared memory, pipelining and caching. Also, the SPU processors do not use the same instruction set as the PowerPC so you've got some asymmetry there.
In short, your typical shared-memory, multithreaded program won't just drop onto the Cell without some work (with the caveat that computer science works hard at making different machines appear to be the same so some implementors try hard to automate the process).
At a high level the program will need to be broken up into tasks that fit within the Cell's hard memory limit. Those can run in parallel and each sub-task can be sequenced to an available Cell processor. At a low level, the compiler (or assembly programmer) will need to work harder to generate code that runs quickly on a processor -- no run-time trickery to make things go faster is available. The theory being that those programmer/compiler friendly features cost silicon and speed that can be better spent giving you more and faster SPUs. Of course, you're not getting any more SPU's on the PS3 but in the general case you'll get more SPUs per number of transistor available on chip.
Completely agree with George Philips and Crashworks. Only thing I'd add is that SPU programming is fundamentally about job management. To get the best out of the SPUs you need to keep them ticking over and feeding back results. There's no point in having one SPU chewing through some complex post-processing if your having to sit and wait for the results for a frame and the rest of your SPUs are sat idle. So how you distribute your jobs requires a lot of thought and this has a big impact on how you chunk up your data.
"All the articles I hear concerning PS3 development discuss, 'Learning how to program on the Cell Processor.' What does this really mean beyond some hand waving?"
Well, stuff you have to deal with on SPUs...
Atomic operations (lock-free try-discard style).
Strong distinction between memory areas. You have to know which pointer is pointing to which memory area or you'll screw everything up.
No enforced hardware distinction between data and code. This is actually a fun thing, you can setup dynamic code loading and essentially stream subroutines in and out. Self-modifying code is possible but not necessarily practical on SPU.
Lack of hardware debugging aids.
Limited memory size.
Fast memory access.
Instruction set balanced toward SIMD operations.
Floating point "gotchas".
You ideally want to keep the SPUs doing useful work all of the time, but it's really challenging. Not only are they not well suited for handling some types of problems, but often moving a system to be efficient on SPU can involve a complete redesign. Debugging problems that would be easy to catch on the PPU can sometimes take days on SPU.
I think when people use the phrase "learning how to program the cell" they are mostly hand waving. You can learn the basics in a week, the challenge comes in trying to apply that knowledge to real code... which often already exists and isn't in a form well-suited for use on SPU.
I was doing some benchmarks for the performance of code on Windows mobile devices, and noticed that some algorithms were doing significantly better on some hosts, and significantly worse on others. Of course, taking into account the difference in clock speeds.
The statistics for reference (all results are generated from the same binary, compiled by Visual Studio 2005 targeting ARMv4):
Intel XScale PXA270
Algorithm A: 22642 ms
Algorithm B: 29271 ms
ARM1136EJ-S core (embedded in a MSM7201A chip)
Algorithm A: 24874 ms
Algorithm B: 29504 ms
ARM926EJ-S core (embedded in an OMAP 850 chip)
Algorithm A: 70215 ms
Algorithm B: 31652 ms (!)
I checked out floating point as a possible cause, and while algorithm B does use floating point code, it does not use it from the inner loop, and none of the cores seem to have a FPU.
So my question is, what mechanic may be causing this difference, preferrably with suggestions on how to fix/avoid the bottleneck in question.
Thanks in advance.
One possible cause is that the 926 has a shorter pipeline (5 cycles vs. 8 cycles for the 1136, iirc), so branch mispredictions are less costly on the 926.
That said, there are a lot of architectural differences between those processors, too many to say for sure why you see this effect without knowing something about the instructions that you're actually executing.
Clock speed is only one factor. Bus width and latency are big if not bigger factors. Cache is a factor. Speed of the media the program is run from if run from media and not memory.
Is this test using any shared libraries at all at any point in the test or is it all internal code? Fetching shared libraries on media that will vary from platform to platform (even if it is say the same sd card).
Is this the same algorithm compiled separately for each platform or the same binary? You can and will see some compiler induced variation as well. 50% faster and slower can easily come from the same compiler on the same platform by varying compiler settings. If possible you want to execute the same binary, and insure that no shared libraries are used in the loop under test. If not the same binary disassemble the loop under test for each platform and insure that there are no variations other than register selection.
From the data you have presented, its difficult to point the exact problem, but we can share some of the prior experience
Cache setting (check if all the
processors has the same CACHE
setting)
You need to check both D-Cache and I-Cache
For analysis,
Break down your code further, not just as algorithm but at a block level, and try to understand the block that causes the bottle-neck. After you find the block that causes the bottle-neck, try to disassemble the block's source code, and check the assembly. It may help.
Looks like the problem is in cache settings or something memory-related (maybe I-Cache "overflow").
Pipeline stalls, branch miss-predictions usually give less significant differences.
You can try to count some basic operations, executed in each algorithm, for example:
number of "easy" arithmetical/bitwise ops (+-|^&) and shifts by constant
number of shifts by variable
number of multiplications
number of "hard" arithmetics operations (divides, floating point ops)
number of aligned memory reads (32bit)
number of byte memory reads (8bit) (it's slower than 32bit)
number of aligned memory writes (32bit)
number of byte memory writes (8bit)
number of branches
something else, don't remember more :)
And you'll get info, that things get 926 much slower. After this you can check suspicious blocks, making using of them more or less intensive. And you'll get the answer.
Furthermore, it's much better to enable assembly listing generation in VS and use it (but not your high-level source code) as base for research.
p.s.: maybe the problem is in OS/software/firmware? Did you testing on clean system? OS is the same on all devices?