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It is safe to say that the EAV/CR database model is bad. That said,
Question: What database model, technique, or pattern should be used to deal with "classes" of attributes describing e-commerce products which can be changed at run time?
In a good E-commerce database, you will store classes of options (like TV resolution then have a resolution for each TV, but the next product may not be a TV and not have "TV resolution"). How do you store them, search efficiently, and allow your users to setup product types with variable fields describing their products? If the search engine finds that customers typically search for TVs based on console depth, you could add console depth to your fields, then add a single depth for each tv product type at run time.
There is a nice common feature among good e-commerce apps where they show a set of products, then have "drill down" side menus where you can see "TV Resolution" as a header, and the top five most common TV Resolutions for the found set. You click one and it only shows TVs of that resolution, allowing you to further drill down by selecting other categories on the side menu. These options would be the dynamic product attributes added at run time.
Further discussion:
So long story short, are there any links out on the Internet or model descriptions that could "academically" fix the following setup? I thank Noel Kennedy for suggesting a category table, but the need may be greater than that. I describe it a different way below, trying to highlight the significance. I may need a viewpoint correction to solve the problem, or I may need to go deeper in to the EAV/CR.
Love the positive response to the EAV/CR model. My fellow developers all say what Jeffrey Kemp touched on below: "new entities must be modeled and designed by a professional" (taken out of context, read his response below). The problem is:
entities add and remove attributes weekly (search keywords dictate future attributes)
new entities arrive weekly (products are assembled from parts)
old entities go away weekly (archived, less popular, seasonal)
The customer wants to add attributes to the products for two reasons:
department / keyword search / comparison chart between like products
consumer product configuration before checkout
The attributes must have significance, not just a keyword search. If they want to compare all cakes that have a "whipped cream frosting", they can click cakes, click birthday theme, click whipped cream frosting, then check all cakes that are interesting knowing they all have whipped cream frosting. This is not specific to cakes, just an example.
There's a few general pros and cons I can think of, there are situations where one is better than the other:
Option 1, EAV Model:
Pro: less time to design and develop a simple application
Pro: new entities easy to add (might even
be added by users?)
Pro: "generic" interface components
Con: complex code required to validate simple data types
Con: much more complex SQL for simple
reports
Con: complex reports can become almost
impossible
Con: poor performance for large data sets
Option 2, Modelling each entity separately:
Con: more time required to gather
requirements and design
Con: new entities must be modelled and
designed by a professional
Con: custom interface components for each
entity
Pro: data type constraints and validation simple to implement
Pro: SQL is easy to write, easy to
understand and debug
Pro: even the most complex reports are relatively simple
Pro: best performance for large data sets
Option 3, Combination (model entities "properly", but add "extensions" for custom attributes for some/all entities)
Pro/Con: more time required to gather requirements and design than option 1 but perhaps not as much as option 2 *
Con: new entities must be modelled and designed by a professional
Pro: new attributes might be easily added later on
Con: complex code required to validate simple data types (for the custom attributes)
Con: custom interface components still required, but generic interface components may be possible for the custom attributes
Con: SQL becomes complex as soon as any custom attribute is included in a report
Con: good performance generally, unless you start need to search by or report by the custom attributes
* I'm not sure if Option 3 would necessarily save any time in the design phase.
Personally I would lean toward option 2, and avoid EAV wherever possible. However, for some scenarios the users need the flexibility that comes with EAV; but this comes with a great cost.
It is safe to say that the EAV/CR database model is bad.
No, it's not. It's just that they're an inefficient usage of relational databases. A purely key/value store works great with this model.
Now, to your real question: How to store various attributes and keep them searchable?
Just use EAV. In your case it would be a single extra table. index it on both attribute name and value, most RDBMs would use prefix-compression to on the attribute name repetitions, making it really fast and compact.
EAV/CR gets ugly when you use it to replace 'real' fields. As with every tool, overusing it is 'bad', and gives it a bad image.
// At this point, I'd like to take a moment to speak to you about the Magento/Adobe PSD format.
// Magento/PSD is not a good ecommerce platform/format. Magento/PSD is not even a bad ecommerce platform/format. Calling it such would be an
// insult to other bad ecommerce platform/formats, such as Zencart or OsCommerce. No, Magento/PSD is an abysmal ecommerce platform/format. Having
// worked on this code for several weeks now, my hate for Magento/PSD has grown to a raging fire
// that burns with the fierce passion of a million suns.
http://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/trunk/XeePhotoshopLoader.m?spec=svn28&r=11#107
The internal models are wacky at best, like someone put the schema into a boggle game, sealed that and put it in a paint shacker...
Real world: I'm working on a midware fulfilment app and here are one the queries to get address information.
CREATE OR REPLACE VIEW sales_flat_addresses AS
SELECT sales_order_entity.parent_id AS order_id,
sales_order_entity.entity_id,
CONCAT(CONCAT(UCASE(MID(sales_order_entity_varchar.value,1,1)),MID(sales_order_entity_varchar.value,2)), "Address") as type,
GROUP_CONCAT(
CONCAT( eav_attribute.attribute_code," ::::: ", sales_order_entity_varchar.value )
ORDER BY sales_order_entity_varchar.value DESC
SEPARATOR '!!!!!'
) as data
FROM sales_order_entity
INNER JOIN sales_order_entity_varchar ON sales_order_entity_varchar.entity_id = sales_order_entity.entity_id
INNER JOIN eav_attribute ON eav_attribute.attribute_id = sales_order_entity_varchar.attribute_id
AND sales_order_entity.entity_type_id =12
GROUP BY sales_order_entity.entity_id
ORDER BY eav_attribute.attribute_code = 'address_type'
Exacts address information for an order, lazily
--
Summary: Only use Magento if:
You are being given large sacks of money
You must
Enjoy pain
I'm surprised nobody mentioned NoSQL databases.
I've never practiced NoSQL in a production context (just tested MongoDB and was impressed) but the whole point of NoSQL is being able to save items with varying attributes in the same "document".
Where performance is not a major requirement, as in an ETL type of application, EAV has another distinct advantage: differential saves.
I've implemented a number of applications where an over-arching requirement was the ability to see the history of a domain object from its first "version" to it's current state. If that domain object has a large number of attributes, that means each change requires a new row be inserted into it's corresponding table (not an update because the history would be lost, but an insert). Let's say this domain object is a Person, and I have 500k Persons to track with an average of 100+ changes over the Persons life-cycle to various attributes. Couple that with the fact that rare is the application that has only 1 major domain object and you'll quickly surmize that the size of the database would quickly grow out of control.
An easy solution is to save only the differential changes to the major domain objects rather than repeatedly saving redundant information.
All models change over time to reflect new business needs. Period. Using EAV is but one of the tools in our box to use; but it should never be automatically classified as "bad".
I'm struggling with the same issue. It may be interesting for you to check out the following discussion on two existing ecommerce solutions: Magento (EAV) and Joomla (regular relational structure):
https://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=58686.0
It seems, that Magento's EAV performance is a real showstopper.
That's why I'm leaning towards a normalized structure. To overcome the lack of flexibility I'm thinking about adding some separate data dictionary in the future (XML or separate DB tables) that could be edited, and based on that, application code for displaying and comparing product categories with new attributes set would be generated, together with SQL scripts.
Such architecture seems to be the sweetspot in this case - flexible and performant at the same time.
The problem could be frequent use of ALTER TABLE in live environment. I'm using Postgres, so its MVCC and transactional DDL will hopefully ease the pain.
I still vote for modeling at the lowest-meaningful atomic-level for EAV. Let standards, technologies and applications that gear toward certain user community to decide content models, repetition needs of attributes, grains, etc.
If it's just about the product catalog attributes and hence validation requirements for those attributes are rather limited, the only real downside to EAV is query performance and even that is only a problem when your query deals with multiple "things" (products) with attributes, the performance for the query "give me all attributes for the product with id 234" while not optimal is still plenty fast.
One solution is to use the SQL database / EAV model only for the admin / edit side of the product catalog and have some process that denormalizes the products into something that makes it searchable. Since you already have attributes and hence it's rather likely that you want faceting, this something could be Solr or ElasticSearch. This approach avoids basically all downsides to the EAV model and the added complexity is limited to serializing a complete product to JSON on update.
EAV has many drawbacks:
Performance degradation over time
Once the amount of data in the application grows beyond a certain size, the retrieval and manipulation of that data is likely to become less and less efficient.
The SQL queries are very complex and difficult to write.
Data Integrity problems.
You can't define foreign keys for all the fields needed.
You have to define and maintain your own metadata.
I have a slightly different problem: instead of many attributes with sparse values (which is possibly a good reason to use EAV), I want to store something more like a spreadsheet. The columns in the sheet can change, but within a sheet all cells will contain data (not sparse).
I made a small set of tests to benchmark two designs: one using EAV, and the other using a Postgres ARRAY to store cell data.
EAV
Array
Both schemas have indexes on appropriate columns, and the indexes are used by the planner.
It turned out the array-based schema was an order of magnitude faster for both inserts and queries. From quick tests, it seemed that both scaled linearly. The tests aren't very thorough, though. Suggestions and forks welcome - they're under an MIT licence.
I need to create a system to store and serve information about survey questions. Given a variety of questions, field types and field arrangments, I need to serve the data needed by the front end to display the fields.
One of my big concerns is layout information. I'm not sure all the ways the fields can be arranged. At a minimum, I need to support things like two text fields appearing on 1 line, with a third on the next line. Or 6 multiple choice answers arranged in 2 columns of 3 rows.
Is it appropriate to store this layout information in my database, and to serve it with the question/field data? I think these are my 3 options. Any thoughts on these options would be very helpful, or suggestions for other things to consider:
I could store indicators that the question uses a column layout, and give each field hints as to what row/column it is in.
I could store something like CSS or mustache templates to define the layout.
I could leave this entirely to the front end. I could return the survey data and expect the front end to handle any layout concerns
The general answer/advice i would give is no. If you put any layout information in the database you will make it very hard to build new functionality, extend your product offering in the future, support multiple front ends (mobile, progressive web app, main website) and perform redesigns in the future.
I would go with option C. Leave it to the front end. You can easily store the 'type' of question which may map to a template in the front end maybe, this will allow the different front ends to render that type of template as the design needs. And will allow you to easily evolve the design in the future, the last thing you want if you desire to do a redesign is to need DB update scripts to try and 'fix' css and display data.
Obviously i lack the full picture of what you are trying to achieve, the road map of your product and your future ideas, but i honestly cant think of a scenario where storing css in the DB would be a good idea.
I hope you find this useful, I would be keen to hear how you decide to progress with this.
I'm interested in displaying 1-5 model instances using forms on a page using a grid similar to something one would find in a desktop database application. I understand I would need to use multiple forms or formsets but an additional requirement is that I'd prefer it to be in more of a grid format with each model's fields being display in columns with common field labels on the y-axis.
I should have the ability to edit multiple columns (so in effect, model instances) at the same time and then commit either the single column (model instance) or commit all. I'd also like to be able to highlight the changed cells that have changed to give visual feedback to the user that there are pending changes.
Sorry for the rather long list of requirements and I'm aware this probably requires a few different technologies/techniques to achieve. I'm throwing this out there because I'm asking this kind community for guidance on what components/technologies I should look at. If luck would have it, there would be some jQuery component that can handle this for me almost out of the box. If not, some guidance on achieving the editing of multiple model instances would be of help.
I will also need to build in versioning in case the data displayed on the view page is stale and to prevent overwriting a newer commit. I'd probably achieve the latter using a versioning field in the table that will perform the check and handle it accordingly.
Also, Flask and Django are both options for the engine and WTForms look to be promising at least at first look.
Thanks
There is no such ready to use solution in Django. Just create your custom form that handles as many instances as you want and do anything that you want, or extend formset.
I want to create a database that has the table for sales and services for a certain company. What I want to know (since I don't know much of SQL) if there a way to store like an object that represents a list or array in a single cell. Why? Because I want a cell in the Sales table to point to all the services that generated that particular sale. For example:
A sale of in 09/09/11 that was generated by service_1, service_2, ... , service_n . Where service_# is a certain service that this particular company offers. Again I apologize for my stupidity but I'm now in the process of learning SQL.
I'm planning to create the database on SQL server.
This is a bad approach.
Database must be well normalized. You are talking to make a design that is not in first normal form.
That you are loking for is a N:M relation ship, you should create a new table called sale_services:
sales (saleId, ...)
services (servideId, name, price, ...)
sale_services( saleId, serviceId)
As a rule of thumb, as soon as you want to add multiple things in one cell, change your database design. Split the tables. Use one table called Sales, another called Services and then a last one that joins the two together which has the ids of the sales and services you want to "join".
As others have said, just wanting to store an array is a sign that you are designing incorrectly. If you want an array of data, what you really need is a related table to store that information in individual records.
What I want to talk about is what happens when you decide to store an array in a field, separated by a comma for instance.
Suppose you store the available colors of a product in a field called colors.
Now you have
Product Colors
item1 red, blue, yellow
item2 blue, purple, red
and so forth for a million records
Now how do you find all the products that come in red? Array fields are difficult to properly query and the performance when you do so is generally abysmal. Adding a new color is also a pain point especially if you want it to be in a certain order.
Before you go any farther in designing a database you need to read about normalization and database design. One of the very first rules of database design is NEVER store more than one piece of information in a field in a record. This is a complex subject and making the wrong choice early on can kill your system. Database are not simple or easy to refactor so you need to know what you are doing at the time you create the design.
Lots of good comments here.
You might want to take a step back and look at the bigger picture of your database. The comments here are from practical experience, not just text books. Try to see what other uses will happen with your data. In your example, if you stored the service list in a single cell, like you mentioned, how would you determine which service was performed the most? How about what services are never used? If your solution requires reading every "row" and doing something, than most likely there is a better approach.
If you put together a suggested design, many people here will help you tweak it and fine-tune it to make it better..
Good luck...
It is safe to say that the EAV/CR database model is bad. That said,
Question: What database model, technique, or pattern should be used to deal with "classes" of attributes describing e-commerce products which can be changed at run time?
In a good E-commerce database, you will store classes of options (like TV resolution then have a resolution for each TV, but the next product may not be a TV and not have "TV resolution"). How do you store them, search efficiently, and allow your users to setup product types with variable fields describing their products? If the search engine finds that customers typically search for TVs based on console depth, you could add console depth to your fields, then add a single depth for each tv product type at run time.
There is a nice common feature among good e-commerce apps where they show a set of products, then have "drill down" side menus where you can see "TV Resolution" as a header, and the top five most common TV Resolutions for the found set. You click one and it only shows TVs of that resolution, allowing you to further drill down by selecting other categories on the side menu. These options would be the dynamic product attributes added at run time.
Further discussion:
So long story short, are there any links out on the Internet or model descriptions that could "academically" fix the following setup? I thank Noel Kennedy for suggesting a category table, but the need may be greater than that. I describe it a different way below, trying to highlight the significance. I may need a viewpoint correction to solve the problem, or I may need to go deeper in to the EAV/CR.
Love the positive response to the EAV/CR model. My fellow developers all say what Jeffrey Kemp touched on below: "new entities must be modeled and designed by a professional" (taken out of context, read his response below). The problem is:
entities add and remove attributes weekly (search keywords dictate future attributes)
new entities arrive weekly (products are assembled from parts)
old entities go away weekly (archived, less popular, seasonal)
The customer wants to add attributes to the products for two reasons:
department / keyword search / comparison chart between like products
consumer product configuration before checkout
The attributes must have significance, not just a keyword search. If they want to compare all cakes that have a "whipped cream frosting", they can click cakes, click birthday theme, click whipped cream frosting, then check all cakes that are interesting knowing they all have whipped cream frosting. This is not specific to cakes, just an example.
There's a few general pros and cons I can think of, there are situations where one is better than the other:
Option 1, EAV Model:
Pro: less time to design and develop a simple application
Pro: new entities easy to add (might even
be added by users?)
Pro: "generic" interface components
Con: complex code required to validate simple data types
Con: much more complex SQL for simple
reports
Con: complex reports can become almost
impossible
Con: poor performance for large data sets
Option 2, Modelling each entity separately:
Con: more time required to gather
requirements and design
Con: new entities must be modelled and
designed by a professional
Con: custom interface components for each
entity
Pro: data type constraints and validation simple to implement
Pro: SQL is easy to write, easy to
understand and debug
Pro: even the most complex reports are relatively simple
Pro: best performance for large data sets
Option 3, Combination (model entities "properly", but add "extensions" for custom attributes for some/all entities)
Pro/Con: more time required to gather requirements and design than option 1 but perhaps not as much as option 2 *
Con: new entities must be modelled and designed by a professional
Pro: new attributes might be easily added later on
Con: complex code required to validate simple data types (for the custom attributes)
Con: custom interface components still required, but generic interface components may be possible for the custom attributes
Con: SQL becomes complex as soon as any custom attribute is included in a report
Con: good performance generally, unless you start need to search by or report by the custom attributes
* I'm not sure if Option 3 would necessarily save any time in the design phase.
Personally I would lean toward option 2, and avoid EAV wherever possible. However, for some scenarios the users need the flexibility that comes with EAV; but this comes with a great cost.
It is safe to say that the EAV/CR database model is bad.
No, it's not. It's just that they're an inefficient usage of relational databases. A purely key/value store works great with this model.
Now, to your real question: How to store various attributes and keep them searchable?
Just use EAV. In your case it would be a single extra table. index it on both attribute name and value, most RDBMs would use prefix-compression to on the attribute name repetitions, making it really fast and compact.
EAV/CR gets ugly when you use it to replace 'real' fields. As with every tool, overusing it is 'bad', and gives it a bad image.
// At this point, I'd like to take a moment to speak to you about the Magento/Adobe PSD format.
// Magento/PSD is not a good ecommerce platform/format. Magento/PSD is not even a bad ecommerce platform/format. Calling it such would be an
// insult to other bad ecommerce platform/formats, such as Zencart or OsCommerce. No, Magento/PSD is an abysmal ecommerce platform/format. Having
// worked on this code for several weeks now, my hate for Magento/PSD has grown to a raging fire
// that burns with the fierce passion of a million suns.
http://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/trunk/XeePhotoshopLoader.m?spec=svn28&r=11#107
The internal models are wacky at best, like someone put the schema into a boggle game, sealed that and put it in a paint shacker...
Real world: I'm working on a midware fulfilment app and here are one the queries to get address information.
CREATE OR REPLACE VIEW sales_flat_addresses AS
SELECT sales_order_entity.parent_id AS order_id,
sales_order_entity.entity_id,
CONCAT(CONCAT(UCASE(MID(sales_order_entity_varchar.value,1,1)),MID(sales_order_entity_varchar.value,2)), "Address") as type,
GROUP_CONCAT(
CONCAT( eav_attribute.attribute_code," ::::: ", sales_order_entity_varchar.value )
ORDER BY sales_order_entity_varchar.value DESC
SEPARATOR '!!!!!'
) as data
FROM sales_order_entity
INNER JOIN sales_order_entity_varchar ON sales_order_entity_varchar.entity_id = sales_order_entity.entity_id
INNER JOIN eav_attribute ON eav_attribute.attribute_id = sales_order_entity_varchar.attribute_id
AND sales_order_entity.entity_type_id =12
GROUP BY sales_order_entity.entity_id
ORDER BY eav_attribute.attribute_code = 'address_type'
Exacts address information for an order, lazily
--
Summary: Only use Magento if:
You are being given large sacks of money
You must
Enjoy pain
I'm surprised nobody mentioned NoSQL databases.
I've never practiced NoSQL in a production context (just tested MongoDB and was impressed) but the whole point of NoSQL is being able to save items with varying attributes in the same "document".
Where performance is not a major requirement, as in an ETL type of application, EAV has another distinct advantage: differential saves.
I've implemented a number of applications where an over-arching requirement was the ability to see the history of a domain object from its first "version" to it's current state. If that domain object has a large number of attributes, that means each change requires a new row be inserted into it's corresponding table (not an update because the history would be lost, but an insert). Let's say this domain object is a Person, and I have 500k Persons to track with an average of 100+ changes over the Persons life-cycle to various attributes. Couple that with the fact that rare is the application that has only 1 major domain object and you'll quickly surmize that the size of the database would quickly grow out of control.
An easy solution is to save only the differential changes to the major domain objects rather than repeatedly saving redundant information.
All models change over time to reflect new business needs. Period. Using EAV is but one of the tools in our box to use; but it should never be automatically classified as "bad".
I'm struggling with the same issue. It may be interesting for you to check out the following discussion on two existing ecommerce solutions: Magento (EAV) and Joomla (regular relational structure):
https://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=58686.0
It seems, that Magento's EAV performance is a real showstopper.
That's why I'm leaning towards a normalized structure. To overcome the lack of flexibility I'm thinking about adding some separate data dictionary in the future (XML or separate DB tables) that could be edited, and based on that, application code for displaying and comparing product categories with new attributes set would be generated, together with SQL scripts.
Such architecture seems to be the sweetspot in this case - flexible and performant at the same time.
The problem could be frequent use of ALTER TABLE in live environment. I'm using Postgres, so its MVCC and transactional DDL will hopefully ease the pain.
I still vote for modeling at the lowest-meaningful atomic-level for EAV. Let standards, technologies and applications that gear toward certain user community to decide content models, repetition needs of attributes, grains, etc.
If it's just about the product catalog attributes and hence validation requirements for those attributes are rather limited, the only real downside to EAV is query performance and even that is only a problem when your query deals with multiple "things" (products) with attributes, the performance for the query "give me all attributes for the product with id 234" while not optimal is still plenty fast.
One solution is to use the SQL database / EAV model only for the admin / edit side of the product catalog and have some process that denormalizes the products into something that makes it searchable. Since you already have attributes and hence it's rather likely that you want faceting, this something could be Solr or ElasticSearch. This approach avoids basically all downsides to the EAV model and the added complexity is limited to serializing a complete product to JSON on update.
EAV has many drawbacks:
Performance degradation over time
Once the amount of data in the application grows beyond a certain size, the retrieval and manipulation of that data is likely to become less and less efficient.
The SQL queries are very complex and difficult to write.
Data Integrity problems.
You can't define foreign keys for all the fields needed.
You have to define and maintain your own metadata.
I have a slightly different problem: instead of many attributes with sparse values (which is possibly a good reason to use EAV), I want to store something more like a spreadsheet. The columns in the sheet can change, but within a sheet all cells will contain data (not sparse).
I made a small set of tests to benchmark two designs: one using EAV, and the other using a Postgres ARRAY to store cell data.
EAV
Array
Both schemas have indexes on appropriate columns, and the indexes are used by the planner.
It turned out the array-based schema was an order of magnitude faster for both inserts and queries. From quick tests, it seemed that both scaled linearly. The tests aren't very thorough, though. Suggestions and forks welcome - they're under an MIT licence.