We have many systems that talk to each other and its become a bit of a mess. e.g system B gets data from system A and System A gets data from System C which also gets data from System B etc etc. The data is passed around using a variety of methods. Some of the data is copied across using sql periodically thus duplicating the data. Some of the data is pulled using views locally and remotely in real-time. We want to come up with a better solution. My plan is to create a central repository that the systems dump and get data from. Does this sound like a good idea? Whats the best practice for handling data between remote systems?
Thanks in advance.
You mean like a data warehouse? This is pretty standard as long as you don't want to update the data, and just want to use it for reporting/driving other applications.
You have a variety of options for getting the data in there including linked servers, SSIS packages and replication (if between oracle servers or ms sql servers)
You can read Microsoft recomendation: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd459147(SQL.100).aspx
As Martin Booth and Dalex say, if the data is used only for reporting, a datawarehouse is the obvious solution.
If you use the data in transactional systems, there are some other options.
If your system is primarily about data, I'd consider using ETL tools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extract,_transform,_load) to manage the copying around of data.
If your system is not just about data, you should look at a service-oriented architecture; this is a brilliantly vague term, and can result in many billable consulting hours, so it's worth doing your homework. In general, the idea is to decouple the underlying implementation (views, replication, dump/restore etc.) from the conceptual "services". This might be too big a jump from where you are now - but the principles are useful when design your solution.
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I am in the middle of a small project aimed to eventually create a data warehouse. I am currently moving data from a flat file system and two SQL Server databases. The project started in C# to automate the processing of data from the flat file system. Along with this, the project executes stored procedures to bring data from other databases. They are accessing the data from other databases using linked servers.
I am wondering if this is incorrect as even though it does get the job done, there may better approach? The other way I have thought about this is to use the app to pull data from each DB then push it to the data warehouse, but I am not sure about performance. Is there another way? Any path that I can look into is appreciated.
'proper' is a pretty relative term. I have seen a series of stored procedures, SSIS (microsoft), and third party tools. THey each have some advantages
Stored procedures
Using a job to schedule a series of stored procedures that insert rows from one server to the next works. I find sql developers more likely to take this path...it's flexible in design and good SQL programmers can accomplish nearly anything in here. That said, it is exceedingly difficult to support / troubleshoot / maintain / alter (especially if the initial developer(s) are no longer with the company). There is usually very poor error handling here
SSIS and other tools such as pentaho or data stage or ...google search it, theres a few.
This gives a more graphical design interface, although I've seen SSIS packages that simply called a stored procedures in order that may as well just been a job. These tools are really what you make of them. They give very easy to see work flows and are substantially robust when it comes to error handling and troubleshooting ability (trust me, every ETL process is going to have a few bad days and you'll be very happy for any logging you have to identify what you want). I find configuring a servers resources (multiple processors for example) is significantly easier with these tools. They all come with quite the learning curve though.
I find SQL developers are very much inclined to use the stored procedure route while people from a DBA background are generally more inclined to use the tools. If you're investing the time into it, the SSIS or equivlent tool is a better way to go from the future of your company standpoint, though takes a bit more to implement.
In choosing what to use you need to consider the following factors:
How much data are we talking about moving and how quickly does it need to be moved. There is s huge difference between using a linked server to move45,000 records and using it to move 100,000,000 records. Consider alo the expected growth of the data set to be moved over time. A process taht is fine in the early stages may chocke and die once you get more records. Tools like SSIS are much faster once you know how to use them which brings us to point 2.
How much development time do you have and what tools does the developer and the person who will maintain the import over time know? SSIS for instance is a complex tool, it can take a long time to feel comfortable with it.
How much data cleaning and transforming do you need to do? What kind of error trapping and exception processing do you need, what kind of logging will you need? The more complex the process, the more likely you will need to bite the bullet and learn an ETL specific tool.
Even there is a few answers, and I agree with two of them, I have to give my subjective opinion about the wider picture.
I am in the middle of a small project aimed to eventually create a data warehouse.
Question name perfectly suits to your question description. It could be very helpful to future readers. So, your project should create data warehouse. However it's small, learn to develop projects with scalability. Always!
In that point of view, search and study about how data warehouse project should look like. And develop each step.
Custom software vs Stored Procedures (Linked DBs) vs ETL
Custom software (in this case your C# project) should be used in two cases:
Medium scale projects where budget ETL cannot do everything
You're working for Enterprise level IT company, so developing your solution is cheaper and more manageable
And perhaps you think for tiny straight-forward projects. But NO, because those projects can grow and very quick outgrow your solution (new tables, new sources, changing ERP or CRM, ect).
If you're using just SQL Server, if you no need for data cleansing, if you no need for data profiling, if you no need for external data, Stored Procedures are OK. But, a lot of 'ifs' is here. And again, you're loosing scalability (your managment what's to add some data from Google Spreadsheet they internly use, KPI targets for example).
ETL tools are one native step in data warehouse development. In begining, there could be few table copy operation, or some SQL's, one source, one target. As far as your project is growing, you can adding new transformations.
SSIS is perhaps best as you're using SQL Server, but there is some good, free tools.
I have a sql server 2012 database which is the backend to an asp.net MVC application, storing customer and order information. This database is accessed under high load and high usage.
I know have a requirement to be able to generate ad hoc reports from the database accessing the same data as the MVC application works with. I am concerned what impact this would have on the database server and the database itself, around locking etc. As such their is a distinction between the data, for the app its operational, but for the reports its more data warehouse oriented.
Therefore I am looking at my options as to the best approach to avoid such.
I am considering creating another database on a different server and archive the data to it using a sql job at regular intervals during the day. Only concern around this is that it would require maintenance and also a dependency to ensure any necessary changes are made to the target database when the source database changes.
What other options opened to me in such a situation and what advice could be given regarding such? What is the best approach to such?
You don't have to think of your own solution to keep the databases in sync. SQL Server has build in ways to achieve this.
Database Mirroring
Replication
Always On Availability Groups
If you're using Enterprise Edition of SQL Server 2012 then I would look into Always On Availability Groups if not then (Transactional) Replication. Both of these solutions can keep a second read-only and near real-time copy of the database.
As Steve McConell suggests you should make no assumptions about performance. You should just measure it before making any decisions. It is not a wise choice to make design choices without knowing the actual performance overhead. So I would suggest to measure, or simulate the performance overhead before even consider using a complex architecture, because you would not know if it's worth the trouble.
Anyway, I think that your approach is right. I would create a windows service which periodically retrieves the data I need from my database and stores them in my warehouse (the new database). I don't think you would ever find a tool keeping consistency between the two schemas, unless you want one schema to be an exact copy of the other.
I don't know your exact needs and perhaps my suggestion is an overkill but I would encourage you to consider using an OLAP approach in the data warehouse where your reporting data will come from. I have to warn you that these systems are oriented in really big data and advanced reporting needs but perhaps you can take some ideas from them. Since you are familiar with the Microsoft ecosystem, I would suggest using Business Intelligence Studio. You could there build an OLAP cube using your normal database as data source and integrate advanced reporting.
Hope I helped.
In one of my process I have this SQL query that take 10-20% of the total execution time. This SQL query does a filter on my Database, and load a list of PricingGrid object.
So I want to improve these performance.
So far I guessed 2 solutions :
Use a NoSQL solution, AFAIK these are good solutions for improving reading process.
But the migration seems hard and needs a lot of work (like import the data from sql server to nosql in a regular basis)
I don't have any knowledge , I even don't know which one I should use (the first I'd use is Ravendb because I follow ayende and it's done by the .net community).
I might have some stuff to change in my model to make my object ok for a nosql database
Load all my PricingGrid object in memory (in a static IEnumerable)
This might be a problem when my server won't have enough memory to load everything
I might reinvent the wheel (indexes...) invented by the NoSQL providers
I think I'm not the first one wondering this, so what would be the best solution ? Is there any tools that could help me ?
.net 3.5, SQL Server 2005, windows server 2005
Migrating your data from SQL is only the first step.
Moving to a document store (like RavenDB or MongoDB) also means that you need to:
Denormalize your data
Perform schema validation in your code
Handle concurrency of complex operations in your code since you no longer have transactions (at least not the same way)
Perform rollbacks in the event of partial commits (changes)
Depending on your updates, reads and network model you might also need to handle conflicts
You provided very limited information but it sounds like your needs include a single database server and that your data fits well in the relational model.
In such a case I would vote against a NoSQL solution, it is more likely that you can speed up your queries with database optimizations and still retain all the added value of a RDBMS.
Non-relational databases are tools for a specific job (no matter how they sell them), if you need them it is usually because your data doesn't fit well in the relational model or if you have a need to distribute your data over multiple machines (size or availability). For instance, I use MongoDB for a write-intensive high throughput job management application. It is centralized and the data is very transient so the "cost" of having low durability is acceptable. This doesn't sound like the case for you.
If prefer to use a NoSQL solution perhaps you should try using Memcached+MySQL (InnoDB) this will allow you to get the speed benefits of an in-memory cache (in the form of a memcached daemon plugin) with the underlying protection and capabilities of an RDBMS (MySQL). It should also ease data migration and somewhat reduce the amount of changes required in your code.
I myself have never used it, I find that I either need NoSQL for the reasons I stated above or that I can optimize the RDBMS using stored procedures, indexes and table views in a way which is sufficient for my needs.
Asaf has provided great information in regards to the usage of NoSQL and when it is most appropriate. Given that your main concern was performance, I would tend to agree with his opinion - it would take you much more time and effort to adopt a completely new (and very different) data persistence platform than it would to trick out your SQL Server cluster. That said, my answer is mainly to address the "how" part of your question.
Addressing misunderstandings:
Denormalizing Data - You do not need to manually denormalize your existing data. This will be done for you when it is migrated over. More than anything you need to simply think about your data in a different fashion - root aggregates, entity and value types, etc.
Concurrency/Transactions - Transactions are possible in both Mongo and Raven, they are simply done in a different fashion. One of the inherent ways Raven does this is by using an ORM-like "unit of work" pattern with its RavenSession objects. Yes, your data validation needs to be done in code, but you already should be doing it there anyway. In my experience this is an over-hyped con.
How:
Install Raven or Mongo on a primary server, run it as a service.
Create or extend an existing application that uses the database you intend to port. This application needs all the model classes/libraries that your SQL database provides persistence for.
a. In your "data layer" you likely have a repository class somewhere. Extract an interface form this, and use it to build another repository class for your Raven/Mongo persistence. Both DB's have plenty good documentation for using their APIs to push/pull/update changes in the document graphs. It's pretty damn simple.
b. Load your SQL data into C# objects in memory. Pull back your top-level objects (just the entities) and load their inner collections and related data in memory. Your repository is probably already doing this (ex. when fetching an Order object, ensure not only its properties but associated collections like Items are loaded in memory.
c. Instantiate your Raven/Mongo repository and push the data to it. Primary entities become "top level documents" or "root aggregates" serialized in JSON, and their collections' data nested within. Save changes and close the repository. Note: You may break this step down into as many little pieces as your data deems necessary.
Once your data is migrated, play around with it and ensure you are satisfied. You may want to modify your application Models a little to adjust the way they are persisted to Raven/Mongo - for instance you may want to make both Orders and Items top-level documents and simply use reference values (much like relationships in RDBMS systems). Watch out here though, as doing so sort-of goes against the principal and performance behind NoSQL as now you have to tap the DB twice to get the Order and the Items.
If satisfied, shard/replicate your mongo/raven servers across your remaining available server boxes.
Obviously there are tons of little details I did not explain, but that is the general process, and much of it depends on the applications already consuming the database and may be tricky if more than one app/system talks to it.
Lastly, just to reiterate what Asaf said... learn as much as you can about NoSQL and its best use-cases. It is an amazing tool, but not golden solution for all data persistence. In your case try to really find the bottlenecks in your current solution and see if they are solvable. As one of my systems guys says, "technology for technology's sake is bullshit"
I am currently working on a private project that is going to use Google's GTFS spec to get information about 100s of Public Transit agencies, their routers, stations, times, and other related information. I will be getting my information from here and the google code wiki page with similar info. There is a lot of data and its partitioned into multiple CSV formatted text files. These can be huge, some ranging in 80-100mb of data.
With the data I have, I want to translate it all into a nice solid database that I can build layers on top of to use for my project. I will be using GPS positioning to pinpoint a location and all surrounding stations/stops.
My goal is to access all the information for all these stops and stations with as few calls as possible, while keeping datasets small for queried results.
I am currently leaning towards MongoDB and CouchDB for their GeoSpatial support that can really optimize getting small datasets. But I also need to be sure to link all the stops on a route because I will be propagating information along a transit route for that line. In this case I have found that I can benefit from a Graph DB like Neo4j and OrientDB, but from what I know, neither has GeoSpatial support nor am I 100% sure that a Graph DB would be what I need.
The perfect solution might not exist, but I come here asking for help on finding the best possible for my situation. I know I will possible have to work around limitations of whatever I choose, but I want to at least have done my research and know that its the best I can get at the moment.
I have also been suggested to splinter the data into multiple DBs, but that could get very messy because all the information is very tightly interconnected through IDs.
Any help would be appreciated.
Obviously a graph database fits 100% your problem. My advice here is to go for some geo spatial module over neo4j or orientdb, althought you have some others free and open source implementation.
I think the best one right now, with all the geo spatial thing implemented is neo4j-spatial package. But as far as I know, you can also reproduce most of the geo spatial thing on your own if necessary.
BTW talking about splitting, if the amount of data/queries will be high, I strongly recommend you to share the load and think the model in this terms. Sure you can do something.
I've used Mongo's GeoSpatial features and can offer some guidance if you need help with a C# or javascript implementation - I would recommend it to start because it's super easy to use. I'm learning all about Neo4j right now and I am working on a hybrid approach that takes advantage of both Mongo and Neo4j. You might want to cross reference the documents in Mongo to the nodes in Neo4j using the Mongo object id.
For my hybrid implementation, I'm storing profiles and any other large static data in Mongo. In Neo4j, I'm storing relationships like friend and friend-of-friend. If I wanted to analyze movies two friends are most likely to want to watch together (or really any other relationship I hadn't thought of initially), by keeping that object id reference I can simply add some code instructing each node go out and grab a list of movies from the related profile.
Added 2011-02-12:
Just wanted to follow up on this "hybrid" idea as I created prototypes for and implemented a few more solutions recently where I ended up using more than one database. Martin Fowler refers to this as "Polyglot Persistence."
I'm finding that I am often using a combination of a relational database, document database and a graph database (in my case this is generally SQL Server, MongoDB and Neo4j). Since the question is related to data modeling as much as it is to geospatial, I thought I would touch on that here:
I've used Neo4j for site organization (similar to the idea of hypermedia in the REST model), modeling social data and building recommendations (often based on social data). As a result, I will generally model this part of the application before I begin programming.
I often end up using MongoDB for prototyping the rest of the application because it provides such a simple persistence mechanism. I like to start developing an application with the user interface, so this ends up working well.
When I start moving entities from Mongo to SQL Server, the context is usually important - for instance, if I have an application that allows users to build daily reports based on periodically collected data, it may make sense to run a procedure that builds those reports each night and stores daily report objects in Mongo that may be combined into larger aggregate reports as needed (obviously this doesn't consider a few special cases, but that is not relevant to the point)...on the other hand, if users need to pull on-demand reports limited to very specific time periods, it may make sense to keep everything in SQL server and build those reports as needed.
That said, and this deserves more intense thought, here are some considerations that may be helpful:
I generally try to store entities in a relational database if I find that pulling an entity from the database [in other words(in the context of a relational database) - querying data from the database that provides the data required to generate an entity or list of entities that fulfills the requested parameters] does not require significant processing (multiple joins, for instance)
Do you require ACID compliance(aside:if you have a graph problem, you can leverage Neo4j for this)? There are document databases with ACID compliance, but there's a reason Mongo is not: What does MongoDB not being ACID compliant really mean?
One use of Mongo I saw in the wild that I thought was worthy of mention - Hadoop was being used to compute massive hash tables that were then stored in Mongo. I believe a similar approach is used by TripAdvisor for user based customization in terms of targeting offers, advertising, etc..
NoSQL only exists because MySQL users assume that all databases have their performance problems when their database grows large and/or becomes complex.
I suggest that you use PostGIS. You can use the same database for the rest of your data needs as well.
http://postgis.refractions.net/
Can you please point to alternative data storage tools and give good reasons to use them instead of good-old relational databases? In my opinion, most applications rarely use the full power of SQL--it would be interesting to see how to build an SQL-free application.
Plain text files in a filesystem
Very simple to create and edit
Easy for users to manipulate with simple tools (i.e. text editors, grep etc)
Efficient storage of binary documents
XML or JSON files on disk
As above, but with a bit more ability to validate the structure.
Spreadsheet / CSV file
Very easy model for business users to understand
Subversion (or similar disk based version control system)
Very good support for versioning of data
Berkeley DB (Basically, a disk based hashtable)
Very simple conceptually (just un-typed key/value)
Quite fast
No administration overhead
Supports transactions I believe
Amazon's Simple DB
Much like Berkeley DB I believe, but hosted
Google's App Engine Datastore
Hosted and highly scalable
Per document key-value storage (i.e. flexible data model)
CouchDB
Document focus
Simple storage of semi-structured / document based data
Native language collections (stored in memory or serialised on disk)
Very tight language integration
Custom (hand-written) storage engine
Potentially very high performance in required uses cases
I can't claim to know anything much about them, but you might also like to look into object database systems.
Matt Sheppard's answer is great (mod up), but I would take account these factors when thinking about a spindle:
Structure : does it obviously break into pieces, or are you making tradeoffs?
Usage : how will the data be analyzed/retrieved/grokked?
Lifetime : how long is the data useful?
Size : how much data is there?
One particular advantage of CSV files over RDBMSes is that they can be easy to condense and move around to practically any other machine. We do large data transfers, and everything's simple enough we just use one big CSV file, and easy to script using tools like rsync. To reduce repetition on big CSV files, you could use something like YAML. I'm not sure I'd store anything like JSON or XML, unless you had significant relationship requirements.
As far as not-mentioned alternatives, don't discount Hadoop, which is an open source implementation of MapReduce. This should work well if you have a TON of loosely structured data that needs to be analyzed, and you want to be in a scenario where you can just add 10 more machines to handle data processing.
For example, I started trying to analyze performance that was essentially all timing numbers of different functions logged across around 20 machines. After trying to stick everything in a RDBMS, I realized that I really don't need to query the data again once I've aggregated it. And, it's only useful in it's aggregated format to me. So, I keep the log files around, compressed, and then leave the aggregated data in a DB.
Note I'm more used to thinking with "big" sizes.
The filesystem's prety handy for storing binary data, which never works amazingly well in relational databases.
Try Prevayler:
http://www.prevayler.org/wiki/
Prevayler is alternative to RDBMS. In the site have more info.
If you don't need ACID, you probably don't need the overhead of an RDBMS. So, determine whether you need that first. Most of the non-RDBMS answers provided here do not provide ACID.
Custom (hand-written) storage engine / Potentially very high performance in required uses cases
http://www.hdfgroup.org/
If you have enormous data sets, instead of rolling your own, you might use HDF, the Hierarchical Data Format.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_Data_Format:
HDF supports several different data models, including multidimensional arrays, raster images, and tables.
It's also hierarchical like a file system, but the data is stored in one magic binary file.
HDF5 is a suite that makes possible the management of extremely large and complex data collections.
Think petabytes of NASA/JPL remote sensing data.
G'day,
One case that I can think of is when the data you are modelling cannot be easily represented in a relational database.
Once such example is the database used by mobile phone operators to monitor and control base stations for mobile telephone networks.
I almost all of these cases, an OO DB is used, either a commercial product or a self-rolled system that allows heirarchies of objects.
I've worked on a 3G monitoring application for a large company who will remain nameless, but whose logo is a red wine stain (-: , and they used such an OO DB to keep track of all the various attributes for individual cells within the network.
Interrogation of such DBs is done using proprietary techniques that are, usually, completely free from SQL.
HTH.
cheers,
Rob
Object databases are not relational databases. They can be really handy if you just want to stuff some objects in a database. They also support versioning and modify classes for objects that already exist in the database. db4o is the first one that comes to mind.
In some cases (financial market data and process control for example) you might need to use a real-time database rather than a RDBMS. See wiki link
There was a RAD tool called JADE written a few years ago that has a built-in OODBMS. Earlier incarnations of the DB engine also supported Digitalk Smalltalk. If you want to sample application building using a non-RDBMS paradigm this might be a start.
Other OODBMS products include Objectivity, GemStone (You will need to get VisualWorks Smalltalk to run the Smalltalk version but there is also a java version). There were also some open-source research projects in this space - EXODUS and its descendent SHORE come to mind.
Sadly, the concept seemed to die a death, probably due to the lack of a clearly visible standard and relatively poor ad-hoc query capability relative to SQL-based RDMBS systems.
An OODBMS is most suitable for applications with core data structures that are best represented as a graph of interconnected nodes. I used to say that the quintessential OODBMS application was a Multi-User Dungeon (MUD) where rooms would contain players' avatars and other objects.
You can go a long way just using files stored in the file system. RDBMSs are getting better at handling blobs, but this can be a natural way to handle image data and the like, particularly if the queries are simple (enumerating and selecting individual items.)
Other things that don't fit very well in a RDBMS are hierarchical data structures and I'm guessing geospatial data and 3D models aren't that easy to work with either.
Services like Amazon S3 provide simpler storage models (key->value) that don't support SQL. Scalability is the key there.
Excel files can be useful too, particularly if users need to be able to manipulate the data in a familiar environment and building a full application to do that isn't feasible.
There are a large number of ways to store data - even "relational databse" covers a range of alternatives from a simple library of code that manipulates a local file (or files) as if it were a relational database on a single user basis, through file based systems than can handle multiple-users to a generous selection of serious "server" based systems.
We use XML files a lot - you get well structured data, nice tools for querying same the ability to do edits if appropriate, something that's human readable and you don't then have to worry about the db engine working (or the workings of the db engine). This works well for stuff that's essentially read only (in our case more often than not generated from a db elsewhere) and also for single user systems where you can just load the data in and save it out as required - but you're creating opportunities for problems if you want multi-user editing - at least of a single file.
For us that's about it - we're either going to use something that will do SQL (MS offer a set of tools that run from a .DLL to do single user stuff all the way through to enterprise server and they all speak the same SQL (with limitations at the lower end)) or we're going to use XML as a format because (for us) the verbosity is seldom an issue.
We don't currently have to manipulate binary data in our apps so that question doesn't arise.
Murph
One might want to consider the use of an LDAP server in the place of a traditional SQL database if the application data is heavily key/value oriented and hierarchical in nature.
BTree files are often much faster than relational databases. SQLite contains within it a BTree library which is in the public domain (as in genuinely 'public domain', not using the term loosely).
Frankly though, if I wanted a multi-user system I would need a lot of persuading not to use a decent server relational database.
Full-text databases, which can be queried with proximity operators such as "within 10 words of," etc.
Relational databases are an ideal business tool for many purposes - easy enough to understand and design, fast enough, adequate even when they aren't designed and optimized by a genius who could "use the full power," etc.
But some business purposes require full-text indexing, which relational engines either don't provide or tack on as an afterthought. In particular, the legal and medical fields have large swaths of unstructured text to store and wade through.
Also:
* Embedded scenarios - Where usually it is required to use something smaller then a full fledged RDBMS. Db4o is an ODB that can be easily used in such case.
* Rapid or proof-of-concept development - where you wish to focus on the business and not worry about persistence layer
CAP theorem explains it succinctly. SQL mainly provides "Strong Consistency: all clients see the same view, even in presence of updates".
K.I.S.S: Keep It Small and Simple
I would offer RDBMS :)
If you do not wont to have troubles with set up/administration go for SQLite.
Built in RDBMS with full SQL support. It even allows you to store any type of data in any column.
Main advantage against for example log file: If you have huge one, how are you going to search in it? With SQL engine you just create index and speed up operation dramatically.
About full text search: SQLite has modules for full text search too..
Just enjoy nice standard interface to your data :)
One good reason not to use a relational database would be when you have a massive data set and want to do massively parallel and distributed processing on the data. The Google web index would be a perfect example of such a case.
Hadoop also has an implementation of the Google File System called the Hadoop Distributed File System.
I would strongly recommend Lua as an alternative to SQLite-kind of data storage.
Because:
The language was designed as a data description language to begin with
The syntax is human readable (XML is not)
One can compile Lua chunks to binary, for added performance
This is the "native language collection" option of the accepted answer. If you're using C/C++ as the application level, it is perfectly reasonable to throw in the Lua engine (100kB of binary) just for the sake of reading configs/data or writing them out.