I'm trying to transmit data in UDP datagrams into a client in external location to a pc in my local lan.
But my network is over a ADSL modem sending to a pc with Slackware, this pc redirect packages into other pcs.
I'm using socat to redirect UDP:
socat -v udp-listen:1935,fork,reuseaddr udp:192.168.0.40:37000
In LAN the conection is fine, but external IPs don't work.
Somebody help?
I don't think socat is the culprit, however consider to use stone instead of socat, because using a fork() for each received packet is a bit weird. Stone is called in your case like this (I think):
stone -n -d -d -d -d 192.168.0.40:37000/udp 1935/udp
Now why external IPs perhaps do not work. Sadly your text does not tell much about your setup, so I have to guess:
It depends on your firewall/modem/router if it is able to forward UDP packets. Usually, if you initiate the UDP requests from the inside, the router will open a NAT connection, which often means, that not only the source IP of the packets change, but the source port as well. As UDP is connectionless, UDP NAT connections usually time out very quickly, say after 5 minutes, if no data is transferred on them.
If the UDP must be opened in the opposite direction (from Internet to Intranet), the router usually discards all the UDP packets coming in from Internet, because it does not know where to forward them to. A router cannot just choose some arbitrary machine, this would be a security hole. So in the "Internet connecting to a machine behind the router" you must open the UDP port on the router and let it forward to the right machine. In that case packets sent from your internal machine will get their source IP and the source port rewritten, the machine on the Internet always will see the packets as coming from your router. So except for the additional rule in the router this case is the same as the outgoing case.
Note that there are several different ways how to make NAT (symmetric, etc.) and several methods on how to open a port on the router (Config, UPnP, etc.) so the ways to poke some holes into it always depends on your hardware capabilities. This all cannot be answered here.
Some other ideas what might go wrong as well:
Some UDP protocols encode IP addresses within the payload. In that case it is not enough just to forward the packets, you must change the payload as well to correct the IP addresses exchanged to enable all machines to talk together. Such UDP protocols are badly designed, anyway, because you never should assume that two arbitrary machines can directly talk with each other, so all good protocols should support easy proxying.
Some ISPs filter certain UDP ports, for arbitrary reason. If you have problems talking from Internet to your DSL, try with two external machines directly connected to different ISPs. If these can talk via UDP check if you can talk from your Intranet to one of the external machines. If this still works, this means, that you can talk backwards as well, as usually UDP is not a directed protocol, but if there is some NAT involved you somehow must make sure that the communication ports stay open.
Mobile Internet plans often do not support P2P. This probably means, those plans do not support Internet at all, as IP, by definition, is P2P. What the ISPs really want to say with "no P2P" is (my guess), that connections from Internet to the mobile device are not supported. In that case you always must initiate a connection from the mobile device, so you cannot use push methods (Internet to Mobile), the mobile device always must pull (data from Internet). Some broadband/cable providers might do the same. Usually you can see this if your ISP hands out an IP in the 10.x.y.z range to you.
There might be another trick how to get the connection working:
Ask your ISP to get some IPv6. Perhaps use 6to4. With IPv6 you eliminate NAT completely, your local LAN then directly interconnects to the Internet on IPv6. Be sure to activate your firewall/iptables on your Intranet host on the IPv6 interface, else you might see Intruders very quickly.
HTH
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I have been reading a bit about WebRTC, and I'm not getting why we need a Turn Server if only 1 peer is using Symmetric NAT, and the other is using neither Symmetric nor Port Restricted NAT, so let’s say A is using Full Cone NAT, B is using Symmetric NAT:
STUN SERVER will send the correct IP address of B to A, and the correct IP + Port address of A to B.
A tries to connect to B (now A will be able to accept messages from B since it’s in the Dest Address Column).
B tries to connect to A, which will allow requests from A going to B (ofc A needs to update the port to the one received from B instead of the Sdp).
am I missing something, or is this correct (and implemented), or is this too complicated to be implemented?
And if this is correct, then theoretically, if I’m peer A and I'm using Full Cone NAT, any peer B can connect to me (as long as I send the connection request first), without needing a TURN server.
Thanks
If the symmetric NAT environment only changes the port, you would be correct with regarding connectivity to Full Cone NAT. The hole punching step would work.
But many enterprise and mobile environments have complex routing schemes and crazy network environments that are different from a legacy home network router. These environments aren't just a little router box that hooks up to a cable modem. It's a complex array of routers and load balancers using a bank of IP addresses. And each outbound connection might get an IP address different from a previous connection. So it's technically "symmetric NAT".
And so after a node within this environment obtains an external IP/port pair from a STUN server, subsequent sends to a peer address might change both both the port and the IP address as well.
As such, the NATs see completely different IP addresses than expected when the UDP packets arrive during the hole punching step. Hence, a relay address (TURN) is needed here.
This question is a little easier if you think in terms of Mapping/Filtering. The other NAT terms don't do a good job of describing how things actually work. My answer comes from RFC 4787 and WebRTC for the Curious: Connecting
Mapping is when your NAT allocates a IP/Port for an outbound packet. A remote peer can the send traffic to this mapping. Filtering are the rules around who can use these mappings.
Filtering and Mappings can then be address dependent and independent. If a mapping is address dependent it means a new mapping is created for each time you contact a new IP/Port. If a mapping is address independent it means it is re-used no matter where you send traffic. These same rules apply to filtering.
If one peer is address + filtering independent I don't believe a TURN server would provide a benefit.
If you want TCP connectivity deploying a TURN server is a good idea. Some WebRTC servers support TCP, but I don't believe any browsers generate passive TCP candidates.
I normally use MOBAXterm to SSH into my work pc, but when I use my gf's internet connection, it works for only a little while before giving me the above error message.
It also happens when I ssh into other external machines and it also happens when I use putty. I already implemented all the in-build steps MOBAXterm offers that could potentially fix this problem.
My suspicion is that it's related to the internet connection cutting out temporarily, but I don't see why that should be such an issue.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Two possibilities here, the nefarious and the irritating. If you know how to sniff traffic, a pcap dump of the session dying would be extremely useful. Grab it using the stable version of Wireshark.
The nefarious possibility
Traffic shaping. SSH can be used to tunnel VPN traffic. If the ISP is difficult about it (more likely if they're a big ISP) they could happily send RSTs to long-lived sessions.
The irritating possibility
Sketchy home router. If the NAT table is too full, the router's memory is overloaded, or there's a bug in the firmware, the NAT table could drop sessions which would cause what you describe.
Solutions
Try mosh. It uses SSH for session setup, then its own protocol over UDP for the actual session. It's UDP-based so there's no TCP connection to RST, and mosh is designed to survive a nuclear strike. It doesn't even care if your IP address changes mid session.
The problem is likely to be solved using mosh - even if it's the home router, mosh's session continuity will mask the NAT table resetting.
If you want to replace the home router (for example if the same thing is happening to other protocols), and you can get the authentication details for the Internet connection, try swapping it out for another one - preferably a recent high-end SOHO model.
If the connection presents as Ethernet (for example a cable modem, like Virgin) then my standard known-good is the TP-Link Archer C7.
If the connection is DSL-based (copper phone line, or BT fibre), you'll also want a 1-port VDSL (for fibre) or ADSL/ADSL2+ (for copper) modem capable of bridge mode. You'll need this in addition to the Ethernet router.
For VDSL, I'd probably recommend the ZyXEL VMG1312-B. For ADSL/ADSL2+ I'd suggest the ZyXEL P660-R.
What kind of IP address does whatismyip.com provide?
How can I get it using VB.Net code?
Also what is IP port?
Thanks
Furqan
PART 1
Okay, let's pretend you have a router in your house and that you have several computers in your house all connected to the internet through your router.
In order for the router to know where traffic goes on your network, it assigns unique IP Addresses to all computers on your home network (Usually beginning with 192.168.x.x). These IP addresses are local ip addresses, meaning only your router and computers/devices connected to it in your house knows about them. If you open a command prompt and do command IPConfig you will see the IP address that your router has assigned your computer.
So what is the IP address that WhatIsMyIP.com showing you? In much the same way that your router assigns addresses to all the computers on your network, your internet service provider hands out unique IP addresses to all of their customers. Now, because you have a router, the only thing the ISP can see on your network is that router and your ISP assigns an IP address to it. This is why routers are also called hardware firewalls, because people on the other side of it, can't tell how many computers or devices are connected to it.
What this means is, when you are visiting websites on the internet, the only IP address they see is your routers external IP address (the one assigned by your ISP). So no matter which computer in your house you use, the website wouldn't know the difference because all it can see is your router's IP address. Go ahead and try it; go to www.WhatIsMyIP.com on several different computers in your house. You will see that they all show the same IP address. However, if you did IPConfig in your command prompt on each computer, that shows you the local address your router assigned and it would be different on every computer in your home.
So, now that you understand the difference between local and external IP addresses, how would you retrieve your external IP address in VB or C# .net code that is running on your PC? Well the only IP address your computer is actually aware of is that local IP that we talked about. The only way you can see your external IP address is to go to a website that tells you what address the request came from (which would be your router's IP address).
What you would need to do is write up some code in your VB.net program that would navigate out to WhatIsMyIP.com (or some other website that can give you your IP address) and tell the code to grab it. I have written a web service located at http://www.u413.com/test/terminal/myip that returns only your IP address as the entire HTTP response. Find something similar though for your application because this little sample will not stay there forever; I only put it up there as a temporary example on a domain I already own.
Visit http://www.vbdotnetheaven.com/UploadFile/kbawala/WebRequestClass04182005054320AM/WebRequestClass.aspx to see how to make web requests from code running on your computer.
NOTE: You may not be aware of what DNS is either if you are unaware of how IP addresses work. Everything on the net has an IP address, including the servers that serve up website pages. But what a pain that would be, trying to remember up to 12 digit IP addresses for all your favorite websites. That is what DNS servers were invented for. DNS servers take a domain name (e.g. www.facebook.com) and translates it into the correct IP address. That way all you need to remember is facbook.com instead of 69.63.181.12 (this is facebook's IP address. Go ahead, try it! Put that IP in your browser's address bar and you will see facebook.), domain names are much easier to remember!
If you want to see the IP address associated with a website, open up a command prompt. Once the prompt is open type PING [websitedomain] (e.g. PING Facebook.com) and your computer will send 4 test requests to the address which is displayed for you.
PART 2
Let's pretend your IP address is like the address of an apartment buliding. The pizza delivery boy needs to know the address to the apartment building in order to deliver your pizza. But what is he going to do when he gets there? There are hundreds of doors/apartments to choose from. He needs to know the apartment number (port number on your computer).
Your computer has thousands of ports, and programs can listen on any one of them for requests from the outside world. When you go to a website almost all websites are served on port 80. Port 80 is the default port for web pages. When you go to facebook.com you are actually going to facebook.com:80, you just don't see the :80 because it is implied since it is the default. If I put up a web server, I could decide any port to serve websites on. If I served web pages on a different port than port 80, then you would have to include it in your URL. http://www.SomeDudesCustomWebServer.com:1337.
Outgoing requests use a port too, but that one is usually unimportant and your computer just picks one that is available. So when you go to Facebook.com, the facebook web servers are all serving up pages over port 80, but the port your computer opened up to send the request does not have to be port 80 because it picks an available port and then sends the port with the request. Then when facebook sends its response, it sends the reply back to the ip address and port that made the request.
Outgoing ports are only used for the duration of the request. Ports that must listen for connections must stay the same otherwise the computers making requests would have no idea what port to send the request to.
Easy huh!
Hope that helps you understand a bit better.
EDIT:
Port Forwarding
Okay, in light of the chat application you want to use/create, if you want it to communicate over the net you'll have to learn about port forwarding. Basically, because all you could see of your friend's network would be his external ip address, you will have to use that address to connect to his chat server (or vice versa if he is connecting to your chat server then it will be your external IP). Because of this, the connection request would only get as far as the router that has the external IP, but it would not know what computer on the network to forward the request to.
You will need to access your router's firmware and set up port forwarding so that the router knows to forward requests on a specific port, to a specific computer on the network. Visit http://portforward.com/ for more detail on how to setup port forwarding.
EDIT 2:
Firewall
When setting up stuff to communicate with your computer using your PC, you may start getting frustrated that it just won't connect. What is likely stopping you is your firewall. By default, most ports on your PC are completely blocked by the windows firewall. For each port that you want to communicate on you will want to go into the firewall and create a rule that will open up the port. Go here http://www.top-windows-tutorials.com/windows-7-firewall.html for a video on how to use the windows firewall. I did not watch it, but it is what came up first on a google search.
Do not simply disable the firewall. Even though this is an easy and quick solution to open up all your ports, you are leaving yourself open to attack. Viruses love to set themselves up in your computer if they can and listen on an open port for a connection from their beloved creator so he can obtain access to your PC. Only open the ports you need.
UDP vs TCP
When opening and forwarding ports you may notice that it asks for UDP (User Datagram Protocol) or TCP (Transmission Control Protocol). What they stand for may not make sense but all you need to know is this: UDP is for single packet transmissions which means that two packets sent by a pc may or may not be related to each other. These types of data packets are usually used for broadcasts on a local network. An example I would use is LAN games. When you host a game on a LAN the other computers/devices can see the name of the game and join it. That is because the computer hosting the game is transmitting a UDP broadcast across the entire LAN so that any devices can see the game. Those UDP transmissions usually contain the name of the game and the connection info required to connect to the game.
TCP is for continuous packet transmission. TCP requires an established connection, any packets transmitted on this connection are always related to that one connection/request. To continue my example from the last paragraph, once you click connect on the LAN game, your computer then establishes a TCP connection with the host and uses that connection for the duration of the game or games. TCP is the most commonly used connection type and your chat program would likely communicate over TCP, especially if you are connecting across the net because UDP broadcasts are useless across the internet. UDP is only really useful on a LAN.
You should be safe forwarding and unblocking only the TCP ports, but sometimes when I'm unsure I just do both UDP and TCP just to be safe. In fact, many routers and firewalls have 3 options: TCP, UDP, or Both which saves you from having to create two rules for both types of the port.
When in doubt, open/forward both.
What's my ip provides your IP v4 public address.
It's really easy to retrieve it, this topic explain how to proceed : How to get the IP address of the server on which my C# application is running on?
The code is only a few lines long, so the language (c# in this example) does'nt matter.
They provide your external internet facing IP.
This IP will depend on how you connect to the internet. If you connect straight from your computer to your ISP without any kind of router or firewall in between, it might be the same as your internal IP, but in most circumstances this will not be the case.
If you're at home and you've connected via a router of some kind, then you might be able to query it for the IP, but there is no standard way of doing this.
There is no standard way of getting hold of your external IP from the client it self. If you've got access to a server on the internet where you could deploy some code you could connect to that server from your client PC and ask it what IP you're connecting from.
IP Port Numbers
I also needed external IP using command line, but because I didn't find it I wrote small application using vb.net. You can use reflection for source code or ask on app home page for it. Basically application opens web page that provide your IP and parse it using regular expression, but because is designed with this purpose uses many "tricks" for this (can use more web pages at once, uses fastes page, etc). Check source for details.
I created a vb .net app and basically it connects to the server (my brother's computer at his house) and sends messages. The problem I'm having is, we both have routers. The only way I'v gotten all of this to work, is by both of us connecting ppeo broadband and then our ips work, otherwise the "real ip" is used for all the pcs in my house. How can I connect tcp to him wothout him having to connect broadband. Because to connect broadband he needs to be connected to an ethernet port, so then he cannot be wireless.
Thanks
I don't know what you mean by "connect broadband", but if the computers are not on the same local network, and you have a NAT router in between, you will either have to connect them via a VPN (like Hamachi for example) or configure port forwarding on both sides on the routers.
See: How do you get Java sockets working with public IPs?
Some routers also have "Dynamic Port Forwarding", where if you are using, say port 8084 for your traffic, both your and your brother set your routers to dynamic port forward port 8084.
The router then listens for client computers connecting across port 8084, and when it sees that traffic, it will route traffic across that port to the client computer that first requested it.
Another popular "NAT-traversal" technology is UPnP. See this SO question and associated article for more information on how to use .NET to control UPnP. Again, router hardware must support it and be configured to use UPnP.
Edit: Untested, but you could try also to use and IPv6 tunneling software such as the one from go6 to create a public IP. This is like VPN, but one-sided, and less private.
Rather than router configuration, you could use a VPN. Hamachi is free and easy.
I'm curious why is it more pervasive. Does it has a better API?
I remember long ago when i first learned about NAT (i used it for sharing a dialup 14.4kbps modem), i thought that someday every home would have a router with NAT included, but it would "obviously" need also a SOCKS process to be able to open listening ports. When broadband started appearing, it was nice to see NAT as a common feature, and I supposed that SOCKS would be an extra, and slowly become more and more common... but nothing! i had to manually forward ports. then appeared that uPNP, but very few 'serious' applications support it, mostly P2P sharing, games, and some IM.
I still haven't seen any home router to include SOCKS (apart from Linux-based firmware upgrades, of course). does anybody know why??
edit:
as Vartec noted, UPnP is a zeroconf and service discovery, not proxy service. now i know that what i'm referring to is IGD protocol, the NAT traversal service present in home routers, and discovered via UPnP. so, my question would more properly be "Why IGD/UPnP instead of SOCKS?"
SOCKS has limitations compared to UPnP. Generally SOCKS requires configuration on each client and isn't transparent to applications (system-wide socket SOCKSification isn't installed/enabled by default on Windows), while NAT even without UPnP mostly works transparently and without any additional client configuration for outgoing TCP sockets and outgoing UDP.
NAT with UPnP also supports server TCP sockets better than SOCKS: SOCKS can only accept a single connection with its BIND request, which is okay for receiving a single TCP connection in a protocol like FTP, but useless for running a server that needs to accept many connections from many clients. SOCKS 4 also had a 2 minute timeout on the BIND request, but a server generally cannot know when the next client will try to connect.
Low-level TCP settings (eg. TCP Nagle, traffic class) also don't work across the SOCKS proxy, but they work through a NAT.
As far as I know, UPnP is zeroconf discovery type of protocol for devices in local networks, while SOCKS is tunnel-proxy server. They are completely different, actually I don't see anything, that they would have in common.
these are two different things, socks is a protocol that allows you to route tcp and udp (socks v5) through a proxy server and it's for outgoing connections, routers dont have anything to do with this (except they are acting as a proxy too)
the IGD of upnp is an 'api' that allows you to tell your router that you want to open a port and foward it to a computer, this is for incoming connections.. my linksys came with upnp enabled by default and one app i know to use this is msn messenger (maybe only for file transfers)