ACME is used by some certificate authorities to process automated signing of certificate requests and issue resulting certificates.
An increasing number of applications (Eg Traefik) now have builtin support for ACME. This is very useful for managing certificate cycling without tracking where every deployed application stores its certificates.
However "free" certificates from letsencrypt and similar certificate authorities are not always appropriate for all applications. Such examples include some software requiring the exact same certificate being installed in multiple layers of an application's edge gateway (yes this does happen).
I'm wondering if, hypothetically, ACME v2 can be used to redistribute existing SSL certificates and associated private keys. Or is it only capable if responding to CSRs where the private key is never transferred between ACME server and client?
ACME is defined by RFC8555 currently.
There is nothing that prevents other CA to use it, besides Let's Encrypt, and indeed there are other CAs existing using it, and others adding it to their existing API.
The key associated to a certificate should never travel. The CA shouldn't know it. As such, there are no operations in ACME that would allow a CA to send the key, besides the certificate, and that is a good thing.
Retrieving a certificate is a core operation, see "7.4.2. Downloading the Certificate". It could happen separately/outside of a previous certificate request. The problem being then: how does the client know which URL to use to download a specific certificate (an information that it receives when doing the normal authorization/validation steps)?
There are other protocols to manage communication of cryptographic materials such as X509 certificates.
Still in ACME, you might be interested in RFC 8739 "Support for Short-Term, Automatically Renewed (STAR) Certificates in the Automated Certificate Management Environment (ACME)" which allows the CA to pre-generate certificates.
And the related RFC 9115 "An Automatic Certificate Management Environment (ACME) Profile for Generating Delegated Certificates",
Outside of ACME, but very similar, you have RFC 8894 "Simple Certificate Enrolment Protocol" (but still no transmission of private key).
But you are not clearly describing the problem you have around "redistribute existing SSL(sic) certificates and associated private keys". What else do you really need besides an URL that gives back that data if it is that you want to send back to client (but again: making the private key travel is, in general, a bad idea)? Is authenticating the client the problem? Discoverability of the URL to use to download a specific certificate/key?
Based on this answer: https://stackoverflow.com/a/3107645/1559672 it's possible to set up ssl connection without user verification.
I think the answer to my question would be yes but can't find anything to confirm/reject it.
The idea is that the server has a certificate that the client can verify via a CA. Then client generates some secret and encrypts with server's public key. Based on this shared secret they generate 'key material' for encryption/decryption. After they have the secured connection, client can verify itself with username/password.
Is it possible like this? if yes, please show me some example or proof.
If not, why not?
The reason of confusion was because of RabbitMQ doc: rabbitmq.com/ssl.html "Connecting without validating certificates" 's example code doesnt define what server certificates or RootCAs are accepted. (RabbitMQ cert is self signed) So I don't get how TLS is set up without that?
Encryption does not depend on certificates. And a self-signed certificate is still a valid certificate.
The purpose of certificates is to prove the identity of the remote peer. Can you really be sure you're talking to the server you think you're talking to and that your connection isn't currently being hijacked? This is ensured by the server presenting a certificate only it could have (public/private key crypto validates this, only the server should have the private key for the certificate; trust/security here depends on the server keeping its private key to itself).
How do you trust the certificate? Well, you may have a copy of it in your trusted certificate store. You'd do this with a self-signed certificate: just put it in your trusted store; since you (presumably) know where it came from, it's trustworthy.
Since this is unrealistic for every public site on the web, a public key infrastructure exists which allows you to trust a limited known number of certificate authorities which can sign certificates of arbitrary unknown parties, and you can indirectly trust those heretofore unknown certificates.
Having said all this, encryption is a separate component and an encrypted, secured connection can be set up with or without the identity verification that certificates provide.
We have multiple programs hitting one WCF Service. When a client sends a message they get to define both a client certificate and a service certificate. To do signing and encryption. As far as I know a service can set both at start up. But i'm finding difficulty on how a service would check certificates on a per request basis.
If program A uses a certificate and program B uses a different certificate. Is there a way to tell WCF how to look up those certs without using the windows certificate store? I know how to load a X509Certificate2 from a file but can't seem to find what piece needs to be overridden to tell it to use a specific cert based on what is coming in. Everything I have done so far looks for that clients cert in the cert store. Business rules would rather we placed them somewhere else that we are encrypting. I would like program A's request to use one file and program B's request to use another that I can specify.
In order to do client authentication, you actually need a certificate + a private key, i.e., not just a certificate.
You need a .PFX file that contains both a certificate and its corresponding private key. PFX are password protected.
Here is a sample code:
Client client = new Client();
var cert = new X509Certificate2(File.ReadAllBytes("c:\\certificate_with_key.pfx"), "pfx_password");
client.ClientCredentials.ClientCertificate.Certificate = cert;
I have a simple question (maybe stupid) and i didn't find any clear answer to it. If i get a certificate from a trusted signing company (like verisign...) for one of my server (web for instance), i'll have private an public keys. With this certificate can i set up my own intermediate CA and sign cert request and the be trusted by every one (i know that's shouldn't be..)? My real question is : what will prevent me for issuing certificate and how the company can garanty that nobody does ??
Thanking in advance!
The certificate issued for your web site is suitable for SSL/TLS and is not suitable for issuing other certificates (Key Usage field is different). Consequently while you technically can generate another certificate using yours as a CA, such generated certificate won't be trusted by properly implemented and configured validators (those that check Key Usage).
You are not paying verisign or other certificate organisation for the certificate publishing but for the certificate validation, this meens that they have web services that respond if your certificate is valid or not, if it is still active and not expired and your contact information as requested.
Unfortunatly this is something you have to live with it and pay them if you really need ssl over your site.
I have used a homemade certificate for my lan server and when i visit this https site a big red warning notifies me that this site is malicious and it has not a valid certificate. This doesn't bother me but I am sure that all of my clients would have freeked out if they see such a bold warning popping up to their browser.
what can you do? it's a companies' world
How does SSL work?
Where is the certificate installed on the client (or browser?) and the server (or web server?)?
How does the trust/encryption/authentication process start when you enter the URL into the browser and get the page from the server?
How does the HTTPS protocol recognize the certificate? Why can't HTTP work with certificates when it is the certificates which do all the trust/encryption/authentication work?
Note: I wrote my original answer very hastily, but since then, this has turned into a fairly popular question/answer, so I have expanded it a bit and made it more precise.
TLS Capabilities
"SSL" is the name that is most often used to refer to this protocol, but SSL specifically refers to the proprietary protocol designed by Netscape in the mid 90's. "TLS" is an IETF standard that is based on SSL, so I will use TLS in my answer. These days, the odds are that nearly all of your secure connections on the web are really using TLS, not SSL.
TLS has several capabilities:
Encrypt your application layer data. (In your case, the application layer protocol is HTTP.)
Authenticate the server to the client.
Authenticate the client to the server.
#1 and #2 are very common. #3 is less common. You seem to be focusing on #2, so I'll explain that part.
Authentication
A server authenticates itself to a client using a certificate. A certificate is a blob of data[1] that contains information about a website:
Domain name
Public key
The company that owns it
When it was issued
When it expires
Who issued it
Etc.
You can achieve confidentiality (#1 above) by using the public key included in the certificate to encrypt messages that can only be decrypted by the corresponding private key, which should be stored safely on that server.[2] Let's call this key pair KP1, so that we won't get confused later on. You can also verify that the domain name on the certificate matches the site you're visiting (#2 above).
But what if an adversary could modify packets sent to and from the server, and what if that adversary modified the certificate you were presented with and inserted their own public key or changed any other important details? If that happened, the adversary could intercept and modify any messages that you thought were securely encrypted.
To prevent this very attack, the certificate is cryptographically signed by somebody else's private key in such a way that the signature can be verified by anybody who has the corresponding public key. Let's call this key pair KP2, to make it clear that these are not the same keys that the server is using.
Certificate Authorities
So who created KP2? Who signed the certificate?
Oversimplifying a bit, a certificate authority creates KP2, and they sell the service of using their private key to sign certificates for other organizations. For example, I create a certificate and I pay a company like Verisign to sign it with their private key.[3] Since nobody but Verisign has access to this private key, none of us can forge this signature.
And how would I personally get ahold of the public key in KP2 in order to verify that signature?
Well we've already seen that a certificate can hold a public key — and computer scientists love recursion — so why not put the KP2 public key into a certificate and distribute it that way? This sounds a little crazy at first, but in fact that's exactly how it works. Continuing with the Verisign example, Verisign produces a certificate that includes information about who they are, what types of things they are allowed to sign (other certificates), and their public key.
Now if I have a copy of that Verisign certificate, I can use that to validate the signature on the server certificate for the website I want to visit. Easy, right?!
Well, not so fast. I had to get the Verisign certificate from somewhere. What if somebody spoofs the Verisign certificate and puts their own public key in there? Then they can forge the signature on the server's certificate, and we're right back where we started: a man-in-the-middle attack.
Certificate Chains
Continuing to think recursively, we could of course introduce a third certificate and a third key pair (KP3) and use that to sign the Verisign certifcate. We call this a certificate chain: each certificate in the chain is used to verify the next certificate. Hopefully you can already see that this recursive approach is just turtles/certificates all the way down. Where does it stop?
Since we can't create an infinite number of certificates, the certificate chain obviously has to stop somewhere, and that's done by including a certificate in the chain that is self-signed.
I'll pause for a moment while you pick up the pieces of brain matter from your head exploding. Self-signed?!
Yes, at the end of the certificate chain (a.k.a. the "root"), there will be a certificate that uses it's own keypair to sign itself. This eliminates the infinite recursion problem, but it doesn't fix the authentication problem. Anybody can create a self-signed certificate that says anything on it, just like I can create a fake Princeton diploma that says I triple majored in politics, theoretical physics, and applied butt-kicking and then sign my own name at the bottom.
The [somewhat unexciting] solution to this problem is just to pick some set of self-signed certificates that you explicitly trust. For example, I might say, "I trust this Verisign self-signed certificate."
With that explicit trust in place, now I can validate the entire certificate chain. No matter how many certificates there are in the chain, I can validate each signature all the way down to the root. When I get to the root, I can check whether that root certificate is one that I explicitly trust. If so, then I can trust the entire chain.
Conferred Trust
Authentication in TLS uses a system of conferred trust. If I want to hire an auto mechanic, I may not trust any random mechanic that I find. But maybe my friend vouches for a particular mechanic. Since I trust my friend, then I can trust that mechanic.
When you buy a computer or download a browser, it comes with a few hundred root certificates that it explicitly trusts.[4] The companies that own and operate those certificates can confer that trust to other organizations by signing their certificates.
This is far from a perfect system. Some times a CA may issue a certificate erroneously. In those cases, the certificate may need to be revoked. Revocation is tricky since the issued certificate will always be cryptographically correct; an out-of-band protocol is necessary to find out which previously valid certificates have been revoked. In practice, some of these protocols aren't very secure, and many browsers don't check them anyway.
Sometimes an entire CA is compromised. For example, if you were to break into Verisign and steal their root signing key, then you could spoof any certificate in the world. Notice that this doesn't just affect Verisign customers: even if my certificate is signed by Thawte (a competitor to Verisign), that doesn't matter. My certificate can still be forged using the compromised signing key from Verisign.
This isn't just theoretical. It has happened in the wild. DigiNotar was famously hacked and subsequently went bankrupt. Comodo was also hacked, but inexplicably they remain in business to this day.
Even when CAs aren't directly compromised, there are other threats in this system. For example, a government use legal coercion to compel a CA to sign a forged certificate. Your employer may install their own CA certificate on your employee computer. In these various cases, traffic that you expect to be "secure" is actually completely visible/modifiable to the organization that controls that certificate.
Some replacements have been suggested, including Convergence, TACK, and DANE.
Endnotes
[1] TLS certificate data is formatted according to the X.509 standard. X.509 is based on ASN.1 ("Abstract Syntax Notation #1"), which means that it is not a binary data format. Therefore, X.509 must be encoded to a binary format. DER and PEM are the two most common encodings that I know of.
[2] In practice, the protocol actually switches over to a symmetric cipher, but that's a detail that's not relevant to your question.
[3] Presumable, the CA actually validates who you are before signing your certificate. If they didn't do that, then I could just create a certificate for google.com and ask a CA to sign it. With that certificiate, I could man-in-the-middle any "secure" connection to google.com. Therefore, the validation step is a very important factor in the operation of a CA. Unfortunately, it's not very clear how rigorous this validation process is at the hundreds of CAs around the world.
[4] See Mozilla's list of trusted CAs.
HTTPS is combination of HTTP and SSL(Secure Socket Layer) to provide encrypted communication between client (browser) and web server (application is hosted here).
Why is it needed?
HTTPS encrypts data that is transmitted from browser to server over the network. So, no one can sniff the data during transmission.
How HTTPS connection is established between browser and web server?
Browser tries to connect to the https://payment.com.
payment.com server sends a certificate to the browser. This certificate includes payment.com server's public key, and some evidence that this public key actually belongs to payment.com.
Browser verifies the certificate to confirm that it has the proper public key for payment.com.
Browser chooses a random new symmetric key K to use for its connection to payment.com server. It encrypts K under payment.com public key.
payment.com decrypts K using its private key. Now both browser and the payment server know K, but no one else does.
Anytime browser wants to send something to payment.com, it encrypts it under K; the payment.com server decrypts it upon receipt. Anytime the payment.com server wants to send something to your browser, it encrypts it under K.
This flow can be represented by the following diagram:
I have written a small blog post which discusses the process briefly. Please feel free to take a look.
SSL Handshake
A small snippet from the same is as follows:
"Client makes a request to the server over HTTPS. Server sends a copy of its SSL certificate + public key. After verifying the identity of the server with its local trusted CA store, client generates a secret session key, encrypts it using the server's public key and sends it. Server decrypts the secret session key using its private key and sends an acknowledgment to the client. Secure channel established."
Mehaase has explained it in details already. I will add my 2 cents to this series. I have many blogposts revolving around SSL handshake and certificates. While most of this revolves around IIS web server, the post is still relevant to SSL/TLS handshake in general. Here are few for your reference:
SSL Handshake and IIS
Client certificate Authentication in SSL Handshake
Do not treat CERTIFICATES & SSL as one topic. Treat them as 2 different topics and then try to see who they work in conjunction. This will help you answer the question.
Establishing trust between communicating parties via Certificate Store
SSL/TLS communication works solely on the basis of trust. Every computer (client/server) on the internet has a list of Root CA's and Intermediate CA's that it maintains. These are periodically updated. During SSL handshake this is used as a reference to establish trust. For exampe, during SSL handshake, when the client provides a certificate to the server. The server will try to cehck whether the CA who issued the cert is present in its list of CA's . When it cannot do this, it declares that it was unable to do the certificate chain verification. (This is a part of the answer. It also looks at AIA for this.) The client also does a similar verification for the server certificate which it receives in Server Hello.
On Windows, you can see the certificate stores for client & Server via PowerShell. Execute the below from a PowerShell console.
PS Cert:> ls Location : CurrentUser StoreNames : {TrustedPublisher, ClientAuthIssuer, Root, UserDS...}
Location : LocalMachine StoreNames : {TrustedPublisher,
ClientAuthIssuer, Remote Desktop, Root...}
Browsers like Firefox and Opera don't rely on underlying OS for certificate management. They maintain their own separate certificate stores.
The SSL handshake uses both Symmetric & Public Key Cryptography. Server Authentication happens by default. Client Authentication is optional and depends if the Server endpoint is configured to authenticate the client or not. Refer my blog post as I have explained this in detail.
Finally for this question
How does the HTTPS protocol recognize the certificate? Why can't HTTP work with certificates when it is the certificates which do all the trust/encryption/authentication work?
Certificates is simply a file whose format is defined by X.509 standard. It is a electronic document which proves the identity of a communicating party.
HTTPS = HTTP + SSL is a protocol which defines the guidelines as to how 2 parties should communicate with each other.
MORE INFORMATION
In order to understand certificates you will have to understand what certificates are and also read about Certificate Management. These is important.
Once this is understood, then proceed with TLS/SSL handshake. You may refer the RFC's for this. But they are skeleton which define the guidelines. There are several blogposts including mine which explain this in detail.
If the above activity is done, then you will have a fair understanding of Certificates and SSL.