What algorithm should I use for encrypting and embedding a password for an application?
It obviously is not bullet proof, but it should be good enough to thwart someone scanning the database with a hex editor, or make it hard for someone who has the skills to use a debugger to trace the code to work out, either by scanning for the encrypted password, or using a debugger to run through the decryption code.
Object Pascal would be nice.
Major Edit
I think I did not explain myself well enough. The password needs to be decrypted back into its original form and applied. The application itself uses a local SQL database and a local webserver, and the password is fixed and can't be changed by the end users. It is to ensure that changes to be made only from within the app itself. The user passwords are only to allow access to the app itself, rather than the database
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If you want an easy solution just stick with a good hashing algorithm like MD5 and store just the hash inside your application. Then whenever the user inserts the password you will calculate the hash of the password and check if it's equal to the one stored.
Of course this approach is a simple solution that doesn't allow you to retrieve the password if it's lost but it should work quite fine if you just need some protection..
EDIT: I mentioned MD5 that was fair good but not anymore, of course you can choose any other stronger function like SHA-2 (512/384) that is more robust. I just wanted to explain an approach more than using a specific hashing algorithm.
SHA should be ok for you, best with salt.
I don't know Object Pascal very well, but probably this will help you:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/op-crypt/
When an application has to do password checking only, it is best to save a hash. An hash can not be decrypted, but it can be checked whether the password the user enters has the same hash.
If you want to save the password so that it can be recovered, it is best to encrypt it first, using some crypto library.
I would suggest SHA1, its one way encryption, i've used it before and by far no one has decrypted it!
If you need more information on sha1 visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Hash_Algorithm and http://www.openssl.org/docs/crypto/sha.html.
PS: If you're using php you can simply encrypt with SHA1 using the sha1(); function!
I suspect that what you're aiming for is not storing passwords in the application, but trying to prevent the application itself from being run without the password, as a form of DRM. If that's the case, and you're looking to stymie people with debuggers, I think you're well into the realm of needing either a hardware dongle, or a network-based lock. Off the top of my head, I know SafeNet carry products that do this (and I've had some exposure to them in the past, they seem decent), but I don't know how well they compare to the rest of the market.
If you want as much real security as is possible in the scenario you're describing, you should require that when the system is installed an "administrator" enters the database password and his own administrator password; the application should then store a salted hash of the administrator's password, and it should store the database password encrypted with a differently-salted hash of the administrator's password. The database password (or information sufficient to reconstruct it) will be kept in memory while the program is running, but absent the administrator password there would be no way to retrieve when the program isn't running, even with full knowledge of the system.
If it's necessary to allow multiple users to access the database, an "add user" button could allow the addition of a user account. When the user types his password, use it to store hashed/encrypted data as with the administrator.
Any user with a debugger would be able to leverage his knowledge of a valid user account and password into knowledge of the database password, but someone who didn't have knowledge of a valid account password wouldn't be able to do anything.
If I am interpreting your question right, then you want to basically distribute your application to users, allow them to run it, and have the application update your database. At the same time, you want to prevent that person from being able to log in to the database and use it themselves directly.
If your program can be decompiled (like java, but I don't know about other languages like C, C++), then the person who has your application will be able to see the source code. Once they have that, there will most certainly be some way they can discover the user name and password. Even if your source code has stored the password using a reversible encryption algorithm, the person who holds your source code will be able to write similar code as yours to reverse the encryption and discover the password.
Even if your application cannot be decompiled, the user may be able to capture the network packets it sends to the database and determine the password from that. I don't know if you can communicate with the database over SSL.
Instead, I believe you need to split your application into client and server applications. You can write a restful web application, or use a messaging service (like JMS for example), and write a client application that uses it.
In that case, you may or may not want to have user accounts that are managed by your server side application. Let me be clear here, I am not talking about database accounts, but accounts that your application manages, and whose details happen to be stored in the database. If you do create user accounts, you can follow the pattern in my original answer shown below.
============== Hashing Approach, my original answer ============
As others have already mentioned, it's best to add salt to the password and use a digest algorithm before you store the password in your database. However, I think a little more detail is in order.
Using SHA1 or SHA2 with a salt value may be pretty strong, but there are even stronger methods. I highly recommend that you read this section of the spring security manual. I don't think you are using spring or java, but that section covers the concepts involved very well. Allow me to paraphrase:
Use at least an 8 byte salt value, up to 16 bytes would be great. The salt value should be different for every account, if it is the same then a cracker will only need to produce one rainbow table! It should be randomly generated. The documentation doesn't say this, but I also recommend using a secure random number generator, don't use a random number seed that produces a consistent sequence of numbers.
You should hash the password multiple times because it will cause brute force password hacking attempts to take increasingly more time. Indeed, you may want a slow password encoding algorithm instead of a fast one.
Store the raw salt value in the database along with the password, you can even store it in the same field/column. This is required so passwords can be verified in the future.
The BCryptPasswordEncoder is a good example of this.
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One alternative approach that may or may not solve your problem is to create a database account that has limited privileges. For example, you could create a database account that can only select, update, insert, and delete on specific tables in your database. You may not find this acceptable, because you may not want to let people do those operations directly, while you may want to let the application do those operations. It depends on your specific situation.
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I'm new in LDAP. Perhaps the question may seem strange, but on the internet I have seen different versions. Please, help to understand which way is the correct authentication via LDAP. I have an LDAP-directory where user passwords are stored as hashes. I know two ways to authenticate third-party applications using the LDAP-directory:
Authentication check on the LDAP side. Using the “bind” function the DN and password of user are passed in plain-text. If the bind is successful user authenticate, otherwise doesn't.
Authentication check on the application side. Using the function “bind” we connect to the directory as an admin. We are looking for the right user and get his record. We parse password field, isolating the type of hash algorithm (e.g. {CRYPT}). We make hash of the user-entered password with proper algorithm. If the hashes are the same then the authentication is successful, otherwise not. (That is, the application must maintain an appropriate hash algorithm).
Which option is the most correct? And which way is considered a standard for any-vendor systems which claim support for LDAP-authentication?
You'll want to use Option 1!!!!!
Option 2 has some disadvantages:
You'll need an admin account that can read the passwords to be able to compare them to the one you hashed. That means that the application is able to read the password hashed. I'd consider that a bad idea.
You'll circumvent additional security measurements implemented. The password you are checking might be the right one. But due to other policies the user might be locked and should not be able to login. And failed attempts will not count towards a possible lockout.
The hashing algorithm might change in future to one you haven't implemented yet.
You might be able to circumvent those obstacles but you will need aditional code to implement that. And that effort has already been taken and is readily availabel when you use option 1
So, let's assume I have read every article/post about appropriately salting and hashing passwords in order to secure user credentials.
This means I am not wondering what hashing algorithm to use (SHA1 vs. SHA2 vs. PDKBF2), how to generate the salt, how to store the salt, how to append the salt, or whether I should be writing the code myself vs. leveraging well-established libraries like bcrypt. Please, avoid rambling about these issues here as I have read 50+ other pages of that already.
Just assume the following is my approach (also note I understand this is not flawless or likely sufficient for applications like financial service, I am really just wondering if this is an acceptable min bar to claim that I "do the right thing").
User comes to my amazing website (www.myamazingwebsite.com) and logs in with email and pass.
I pull her salt and hash from my database. Assume the salt is lengthy enough, unique per-user, and created using a CSPRNG upon user registration.
I prepend the salt to her input password, hash it using SHA-512, run 1,000 iterations, then compare it to the hashed value pulled from the db:
var hash = sha512(salt + password);
for (i = 0; i < 1000; i++) {
hash = sha512(salt + password + hash);
}
If they match, the user is authenticated. Otherwise, they are not.
Now, my question is how secure is my above approach. The questions I would like help answering:
Do I need to change the salt periodically? For example, perhaps I could re-compute and store a new hash using a newly created random salt after every successful login. This seems like it would be more secure but I am not sure what standard practice is here.
The request to the server will be done via https. Does that mean I can assume that I can process all of the hashing and validation logic server side? Would most folks consider this sufficient, or do I need to consider some hybrid both on client and server side?
Anything else I am overlooking or need to consider?
Thanks in advance, I appreciate the help.
1) Assuming you've done the right thing and do not store their password, you can't change the salt unless they are logging in. I suppose you could change their salt every time they do log in, but it doesn't really help (and might hurt).
Here's why: Having a unique salt on everyone simply makes it harder for an attacker that has access to your database from attempting to guess the passwords. If you've done things correctly, he would have to use a different salt for each person. He can't just start guessing passwords using a site-wide salt and see if it matches anyone. As long as you have a unique salt for each user, you are doing the best you can.
In fact, changing the salt does nothing but give an attacker with access to your database over time MORE information. Now he knows what their password looks like salted two different ways. That could (theoretically) help crack it. For this reason, it would actually be ill advised to change the salt.
2) Https is sufficient. If someone can compromise https, then any additional client side hashing or such will not help. The clients computer is compromised.
3) I think you have a fair understanding of best password practices. Don't overlook other security issues like sql-injection and cross-site scripting.
Do I need to change the salt periodically?
No. The salt is a per-user public parameter that servers two purposes. First, it ensures that an attacker cannot build an offline dictionary of passwords to hashes. Second, it ensures two users with the same password have different hashed password entries in the database.
See the Secure Password Storage Cheat Sheet and Secure Password Storage paper by John Steven of OWASP. It takes you through the entire threat model, and explains why things are done in particular ways.
The request to the server will be done via https. Does that mean I can assume that I can process all of the hashing and validation logic server side?
This is standard practice, but its a bad idea. Its a bad idea because of all the problems with SSL/TLS and PKI in practice. Though this is common, here's how it fails: the SSL/TLS channel is setup with any server that presents a certificate. The web application then puts the {username, password} on the wire in the plain text using a basic_auth scheme. Now the bad guy has the username and password.
There's lots of other problems with doing things this way. Peter Gutmann talks about this problem (and more) in his Engineering Security book. He's got a witty sense of humor, so the book is cleverly funny at times, too even though its a technical book.
Would most folks consider this sufficient, or do I need to consider some hybrid both on client and server side?
If possible, use TLS-PSK (Preshared Key) or TLS-SRP (Secure Remote Password). Both overcome the problems of basic_auth schemes, both properly bind the channel, and both provide mutual authentication. There are 80 cipher suites available for TLS-PSK and TLS-SRP, so there's no shortage of algorithms.
Anything else I am overlooking or need to consider?
Cracking is not the only threat here. More than likely, the guy trying to break into your organization is going to be using one of the top passwords from the millions of passwords gathered from the Adobe breach, the LinkedIn breach, the Last.fm breach, the <favorite here> breach.... For example:
25 most-used passwords revealed: Is yours one of them?
The 30 Most Popular Passwords Stolen From LinkedIn
Top 100 Adobe Passwords with Count
Why bother brute forcing when you have a list of thousands of top rated passwords to use?
So your FIRST best defense is to use a word list that filters a user's bad password choices. That is, don't allow user's to pick weak or known passwords in the first place.
If someone gets away with your password database, then he or she is going to use those same password lists to try and guess your user's passwords. He or she is probably not even going to bother brute forcing because he or she will have recovered so many passwords using a password list.
As I understand it, these word lists are quite small when implemented as a Bloom Filter. They are only KB in size even though there are millions of passwords. See Peter Gutmann's Engineering Security for an in depth discussion.
I want to make a user login system for the purpose of learning. I have several questions.
I did some research and found that the proper way of implementing a user login system is to store the user name/id and the encrypted/hashed version of the password in the database. When a user logs in, the password is encrypted client side (MD5, SHA-1 etc.) and sent to the server where it is compared with the one in database. If they match, the user log in successfully.
This implementation prevents DBAs or programmers seeing the cleartext of the password in the database. It can also prevent hackers intercepting the real password in transit.
Here is where I'm confused:
What if the hackers know the hash/encrypted version of password (by hacking the database) or DBAs, programmers get the hashed version of the password by just simply reading the text in the database. They could then easily make a program that sends this hashed version of the password to the server allowing them to successfully log in. If they can do that, encrypting the password doesn't seem very useful. I think I misunderstanding something here.
Is this (the way I described above) the most popular way to implement user login functionality? Does it follow current best practices? Do I have to do everything manually or does some database have the built-in ability to do the same thing? Is there a most common way/method of doing this for a website or a web app? If so, please provide me with details.
My former company used couchDB to store user login info including passwords. They did not do too much with the encryption side of things. They said couchDB will automatically encrypt the password and store it in the documents. I am not sure if this is a safe way. If so, then it is pretty convenient for programmers because it saves lots of work.
Is this way (point 3) secure enough for normal use? Do other database system such as mySQL have this kind of ability that can do the same thing? If so, does it mean that using mySQL built-in method is secure enough?
I am not looking for a very super secure way of implementing user login functionality. I am rather looking for a way that is popular, easy-to-implement, proper, secure enough for most web applications. Please give me some advice. Details provided will be really appreciated.
When a user login, client side code will encrypt the password by MD5 or SHA-1 or something like that, and then send this encrypted password to server side and then compare it with the one in database. If they are matched, the user log in successfully.
No, no, the client needs to send the unhashed password over. If you hash the password on the client side then that hash is effectively the password. This would nullify the security of the cryptographic hashing. The hashing has to be done on the server side.
To secure the plaintext password in transit it needs to be sent over a secure channel, such as an encrypted TLS (SSL) connection.
Passwords should be salted with a piece of extra data that is different for each account. Salting inhibits rainbow table attacks by eliminating the direct correlation between plaintext and hash. Salts do not need to be secret, nor do they need to be extremely large. Even 4 random bytes of salt will increase the complexity of a rainbow table attack by a factor of 4 billion.
The industry gold standard right now is Bcrypt. In addition to salting, bcrypt adds further security by designing in a slowdown factor.
Besides incorporating a salt to protect against rainbow table attacks, bcrypt is an adaptive function: over time, the iteration count can be increased to make it slower, so it remains resistant to brute-force search attacks even with increasing computation power.... Cryptotheoretically, this is no stronger than the standard Blowfish key schedule, but the number of rekeying rounds is configurable; this process can therefore be made arbitrarily slow, which helps deter brute-force attacks upon the hash or salt.
A few clarifications:
Don't use MD5. It's considered broken. Use SHA but I'd recommend something a little better than SHA1. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5
You don't mention anything about salting the password. This is essential to protect against Rainbow tables. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_tables
The idea of salting/hashing passwords isn't really to protect your own application. It's because most users have a few passwords that they use for a multitude of sites. Hashing/salting prevents anyone who gains access to your database from learning what these passwords are and using them to log into their banking application or something similar. Once someone gains direct access to the database your application's security has already been fully compromised. - http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/04/23/users-same-password-most-websites/
Don't use the database's built in security to handle your logins. It's hacky and gives them way more application access than they should have. Use a table.
You don't mention anything about SSL. Even a well designed authentication system is useless if the passwords are sent across the wire in plain text. There are other approaches like Challenge/Response but unfortunately the password still has to be sent in plain text to the server when the user registers or changes their password. SSL is the best way to prevent this.
My co-workers are using a commercial program that encodes and stores login passwords on some database.
Now, I'm developing another program to achieve some other tasks, but I want my co-workers to authenticate to this program with their same username and passwords to avoid confusion.
The problem is, I don't have (and probably never will) any source code to determine which encryption algorithm they've used.
I ran some tests and observed that same passwords always produces same hashcodes with 24 characters in length. For example;
1 XeVTgalUq/gJxHtsMjMH5Q==
123456 0Q8UhOcqClGBxpqzooeFXQ==
Is there any way to determine which algorithm they've used ?
Thanks in advance,
Nope. That is the point of encryption / hashing-- it is supposed to be opaque so that it should not be easy to reverse engineer. The only thing you can do is try a few well-known hash algorithms like SHA-1 and see if the hash values match the other program. But, there's no way to know if the other program added in any "salt" or is hashing together multiple things, e.g. username + password or some other scheme. So you are probably out of luck on that front.
One idea you could try with your new program: if the user has never logged in before, allow them to log in the first time with ANY password. Tell the users that they should use the same password they did with the other program. Then, when they log in, capture that value and hash it using your own hashing scheme, then store that for future logins. So ultimately you would get the result you're aiming for (that users can use their same passwords), without having to reverse engineer the encryption scheme of the other program.
Now, clearly the drawback with this approach is that it is not secure at all for the first login. Someone could hijack another user's account if they logged in as that user before the real user had a chance to log in for the first time (and thereby lock in his password). So this is only an option if there is no sensitive data pre-loaded in the new program that could be compromised. Also you would need the ability for an administrator to reset a users' password so that if this kind of thing did happen, you could correct it easily when the real user reports that they can't log in.
Is it any safer to create a table holding user information and another one for their passwords than using the same table for everything?
No I would just do this:
id, username, password.
Where id is just autoincrement, username is a varchar of 20 (or so, depending on your needs) and password is an MD5 or SHA1 hashed password with a salt.
Using two tables for this just doesn't make sense. Then you need to work with joins to get the data. And that's just an unnecessary burden.
No, I cannot see how that can make it safer.
You should actually refrain from storing passwords at all. Just store their salted hash.
Further reading:
Stack Overflow: Preferred Method of Storing Passwords In Database
I disagree with other people - put the authentication information in a separate table and to the greatest extent possible pull authentication out of your application entirely. You shouldn't care. Think siteminder and the like - your web application doesn't have any information about how the user is authenticated. Password, smart card, etc. (Same thing with Kerberos or Active Directory on desktop applications.)
This approach even works if you use a framework like Spring Security. Just set up your interceptor so it looks at the authentication tables alone. You could even use separate DataSources so your interceptor can't see application data or vice versa.
Obviously your application will still need to manage information about the user's authorizations, something usually handled in a 'roles' table. But there's no need to for it to know how the user was authenticated.
i think having the username and password in the same table is ok ,
but also l have seen people doing silly stuff especially when working with the ORM , someone might end up exposing password hashes etc
for example entity framework C#
someone can just do
appcontext.Users.ToList();
no attributes kept ensuring that password is hidden nor DTOs (Data Transfer Object) ,
upon noticing this l just keep another authentication table and the other thing l there are a lot of fields for forgot password, last password change all those fields l will have them in another table with the password
No it is not safer. Just make sure your passwords are Salted+Hashed before you stored them in the DB.
No. Not unless each table required a different user account to access it - which would make querying it a complete pain - and even then, the hacker has worked out one login, so chances are they can get the other.
Just make sure that you are storing passwords in a hashed form, using a secure hash like SHA-2 and a salt. Do not store them in plain text and (IMHO) don't store them encrypted.
Btw, there is already a pretty simple (and powerful) c# salted hash class library (they've also included a small demonstration of how to use the library) out there - Link .
It also provides a verification mechanism (so you can verify the user's input as a valid password) and you can choose the Hash algorithm yourself (Sha1/MD5/etc.)
There is no security benefit, but using multiple tables can be useful for storing credentials to multiple systems tied to a single login.
As mentioned above, security should be provided by salted hash for passwords.