My Team are evaluation to a bigger Business portal. (Invoicing, Bookkeeping, Salaries.....)
We are all used to work with DDD, O/R mappers with NHibernate as our first choice.
We have chosen to work with CompositeWPF to keep modularity between all modules and part system in the business portal.
Now we have evaluated Ria Services and are kind of disappointed how it works in a Data Oriented way, Data Oriented can be good in a service oriented scenario, but we feel that we can with an Object Oriented approach to, and we feel that we can get an application with less complexity with the OO approach than the DO approach.
For example it doesn't allow Value Objects, Many-to-many relations, everything needs to have keys and so on.
We haven't looked at WCF Data Services yet so our question is WCF Data Services our answere? Does it integrate well with Silverlight 4? Can we work with it in a OO manner?
RIA / WCF is not about replacing O/R mappers etc. It is about exposing data in an open format to another application. Not high end, but basically for integration. It is IMHO pretty stupid to put that within an application, but it is a great external interface, especially as it gets tooling support.
Good examples:
Bank accounting access. If I only could do home banking using Odata ;) And get my account statements into excel.
Trading ;) Yeah, ok - I have a trading server (that then connects to various brokers). I have a web front end. I now will expose certain data through OData, too, so I can easily get things out in excel etc., or even use a silverlight application for some stuff... but i will NOT use OData within one application to replace my object infrastructure- way too muc hoverhead.
Ebay could provide an OData interface for larger customers. Nice to get an overview over your auctions AND do some basic maintenance on your account. Nothing high performance, but again, TOOLING support. Excel, Report services all soon support OData.
If you look at it from that integration point of view it makes a LOT mroe sense. It is not a full environment - that "never" works. It is a great standardization, though, to open up an application with semantics (better than web services - standardized query and filter logic) AND tooling support.
I somehow dont really run into many problems with a lot of items you mention, though:
Anything I work with has a key per definition
I neve rdo many:many relations. I always havean interim object WITH A KEY.... so that I can add properties to it (and if that is only a timestamp).
The servies ARE data oriented, and seriously - I love them. I am a big OO fan, but the tooling support makes that a PERFECT external interface for applications.
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I was looking at how you can create a WCF data service around an entity framework context and you can consume it as an EF context as well.
Creating an OData API for StackOverflow including XML and JSON in 30 minutes
I really just started looking at this, but I was wondering where would the business logic go? As a service I would expect that you couldn't just freely add/delete etc without it having some validation.
If I wrote an MVC app to consume this service, how would I best implement business logic. Not simple property level validation that you could do with attributes, but more complex stuff that needs to check the data store first etc.
It sounds like you need a custom data service provider (msdn link). They're quite powerful and give you full control over all of your reading/writing logic.
For example I wrote one that enforces our licensing logic in the update provider.
You can put some in the Data Service class, but you are limited as to what you can and can't do there. And then of course you can put some in the client above the service, but that's not ideal either.
I've only spent a few weeks with WCF Data Services but you highlight (one of) the big problems with it - lack of flexibility. It's fantastic for rapid development and banging out LOB applications, but anything with a deliberate design is very difficult to implement. I needed to include objects in my entity model simply to allow them to be exposed through the service, and I had huge headaches just trying to extend those classes with a simple property.
I'd only recommend using WCF Data Services for trivially simple applications that needed extremely fast development - a one or two day development cycle, for example. Anything else is worth doing thoroughly with regular WCF services, writing your own data layer and so on.
Depending on your specific needs, it sounds like Web API might be a good fit. Web API may never get the full range of OData support that WCF Data Services has, but it does make certain things easier (like adding business logic). I'm quite confident that Web API's initial support for OData will cover a significant number of use cases, and that support will grow over time.
While a custom data provider will most certainly do about anything you want and may well be a great solution for you if you have a complex architecture, I wasn't really thrilled when I attempted to save back through the client and found out I had to implement my the IUpdatable Interface as part of my Context.(I was attempting to build a repository pattern out of my context and DataService).
I'm sure it's very useful for many people, but I really only needed the functionality the EntityProvider already contained and didn't have the time in my project schedule to figure the Iupdatable piece of the custom provider out, so my team, specifically Geoff , stuck with the Entity Provider and used Change and Query Interceptors to route the DataService requests through our Business Logic classes on the server. It provides a central point of control. We used these to provide security checks, run calculations and other operations on Insert/Update, etc. Turned out great. You can also use service methods as another way to provide specific business logic functions to your clients.
I need to evaluate SOA architecture between WCF Data Services vs WCF RIA Services. Following are some of my parameters:
Multiple Client (HTML5/iOS/Android/Windows 8 Metro/Windows Phone 7)
Disconnected and offline operation
Validation engine
Performance
Network data compression
Support for Cloud Environment
Could anyone help me to gather some data for my evaluation. Also, is there any other good option available for SOA implementation.
I am aware of DevForce.
I'm intimately familiar with RIA Services and know where it falls short. I know little about data services and DevForce, but I know that DevForces advertises to be better than RIA Services in exactly those areas where it annoys me, which is:
RIA can't do group-by or joins of any sort. (Interestingly, the DevExpress toolkit can
do some trickery to group on a RIA Services source in some cases.)
It does understand relationships, but not of the many-to-many kind where it would have to
handle a translation to a bridge table transparently. (EDIT: this is planned for Open Ria Services)
The change tracking works through a context (unit of work) which can only be submitted or
rejected as a whole (out-of-the-box anyway). That usually leads to an application with
many contexts and weird copy operations to transfer entities. The RIAServicesContrib
project helps with that.
It appears to be no longer maintained. I base this on the fact that when Entity Framework 4.1 released their new DbContext API (for code first), Microsoft released a compatibility library with which you could use RIA and EF code first. That library has a version lock on EF 4.1 though, and Microsoft now just states that RIA Services doesn't support DbContext in the form of an Orwellian note to Visual Studio 2012. (EDIT: DbContext is now supported again - EF is currently supported up to version 5, with 6 being likely only supported in Open Ria Services)
Some tasks such as observing changes of related entities programatically (rather than
through data binding) are hard.
Some things which should be really simple, such as getting the context from an attached
entity, are hard.
All queries are single requests, only the remaining CUD (of the CRUD) is batched.
Custom methods to invoke along with normal CUD operations are very limited. In
particular, it's not
possible to cancel one that is scheduled without cancelling the whole context. That has
made them almost useless in most cases where I wanted to use them.
You will have to decide whether or not to use the DomainDataSource, which is a beast
that does too much and too little. You can fetch everything programatically too, but
some things are really quick to wire up with this xaml helper.
There is no built-in support for serializing entities to isolated storage.
Silverlight (and Javascript I believe) are the only supported platforms - no WPF.
(EDIT: this is planned for Open Ria Services - in particular, it should be able to serve BreezeJS)
Since Data Services is older (I think), I didn't care to ever look closely at it. I did however recently skim over the feature list of DevForce and I believe that sounds exciting, although I can't say anything about it from experience.
(EDIT: I found a very knowledgeable comparison of RIA Services and WCF by Colin Blair here.)
The architect compares his product to RIA Services here. I covered some of his points, but not all.
Altogether I can say that RIA Services is clearly better than raw WCF, but it's also clear there has to be something better than that. I hope that's DevForce.
Both expose entities via OData, but RIA Services is specifically targeted to:
Silverlight consumption
Poor man's services - they're easier to get up and running with little effort
WCF Data Services are far more powerful and configurable. The biggest difference (IMO) is that RIA services require one host type per entity, whereas WCF Data Services can automatically host an entire content (a type with multiple IQueryable properties).
That said, both implementations are pretty half baked (again IMO only) and not really well thought out or implemented. ...You may be better off with traditional WCF operations hosted with WebGet/WebInvoke attributes...or using the WCF Web API.
I wouldn't go with DevForce only because it mainly really target Silverlight implementations (if I recall correctly). That said, they're package is pretty cool and far more feature complete than RIA or WCF Data Services.
I want to know if using Self Tacking Entities (in Entity Framework) is recommended with WCF services? If yes, then can you guide me to a tutorial which may guide how to do that?
Actually, I am going to develop a WPF application using Prism with MEF and MVVM. I have decided to use Entity Framework. I want suggestions and advices regarding this approach.
Any help will be appreciated.
I want to know if using Self Tacking Entities (in Entity Framework) is
recommended with WCF services?
It depends who you ask. If you ask MS they will tell you Yes because they simply don't have anything better to offer. STEs were response to this very old MS Connect suggestion. The problem is that EF itself has terrible bad support for merging changes between two entity graphs (you must do it completely yourselves) and developers working on MS platform (sometimes including me) share some common behaviors:
They are lazy to develop their own solution to problem and they expect some magic directly in APIs provided by MS.
Most of the time they are not trained / skilled / competent in the technology they have to use, because they have to move to a new one too often.
The only APIs they know are part of .NET Framework. They don't look for other options neither they compare features.
First two points are result of MS strategy where RAD become synonym for designer (or newly also T4 templates).
I share #Richard opinion about STEs. I would add one additional drawback of STEs - they move large datasets between participants. If you decide to get an entity graph from the server, change a single entity in the graph and push data back they will transfer again the whole graph. Transferring only changed entities results in fighting with STE's core logic. I'm also afraid that they track changes completely on per entity level instead of per property level. In case of modification to entities with large binary or string data it can result in transferring too much unneeded data between the service and the database and between the service and the client.
Anyway for a simple application with low data traffic and small entities they can do a good job and allow you building your application quickly but without strict separation of concerns. You will get entities from service and bind them directly to WPF UI and they will be able to track changes for you. Later you will push entities back to service and they will be able to persist changes. Your client and service will be tightly coupled but in some scenarios it can be good enough.
I would avoid self tracking entities in general - I blogged about it here.
Create your own DTOs and use them to manage the transfer of data - then biuold your POCO objects in the service and use them with entity framework for persistence
If you want self tracking then there is a slightly cleaner approach here
I've seen recommendations (Juval Lowy, et al) that a service contract should have "no more than 20 members...twelve is probably the practical limit". Why? It seems that if you wish to provide a service as the interface to a relatively large db (50-100 tables) you're going to go way past that in just CRUD alone. I've worked with plenty of other services that provided hundreds of 'OperationContracts'...is there something peculiar about WCF? Is there something I'm missing here?
probably the fact that you should not expose CRUD in the SOA world.... the idea is to expose business processes. Inidividual CRUD operations lead to a TERIIBLY slow and granular interface. Look more how RIA Services / ASTORIA do the CRUD thing.
I don tthink this is a technical limit. the idea is a service defines all contracts necessary for a business operation (order management, account management) and should not be TOO complicated.
I think it's related to the principles of SOA. Many people would regard a service with hundreds of OperationContracts as a poorly designed service, even if technically correct.
You should not simply expose a web interface for a bunch of tables. Rather, the services should expose abstract operations (probably mapped to business processes) that interact with those tables under the hood.
I've seen similar recommendations in the past and I think it depends on who's going to use your service.
If, like me, you're writing it to link an app to a remote data source then the most abstract interface you can write will still include a "get" and a "save" method for each logical object in your database.
My latest project has a servicecontract with 246 operation contracts in it. It's a mostrosity of a file and a pig to edit, but the client side code is neat and tidy and it's just easier to work with. It's not like anyone but me is ever going to see it.
In short, there are no technical or performance implications to either approach. Go with whatever seems most appropriate to your project.
I work for a large state government agency that is a tad behind the times. Our skill sets are outdated and budgetary freezes prevent any training or hiring of new employees/consultants (firing people is also impossible). Designing business objects, implementing design patterns, establishing code libraries and services, unit testing, source control, etc. are all things that you will not find being done here. We are as much of a 0 on the Joel Test as you can possibly get. The good news is that we can only go up from here!
We develop desktop CRUD applications (in C++, C#, or Java) that hit the Oracle database directly through an ODBC connection. We basically have GUI's littered with SQL statements and patchwork code. We have been told to move towards a service-oriented n-tier architecture to prevent direct access to the database and remove the Oracle Client need on user machines.
Is WCF the path we should be headed down? We've done a few of the n-tier application walkthroughs (like this one) and they seem easy to implement, but we just don't know enough to understand if we are even considering the right technologies. Utilizing the .NET generated typed DataSets seems like a nice stopgap to save us month/years of work (as opposed to creating new business objects from the ground up for numerous projects). Is this canned approach viable for a first step?
I recently started using WCF services for my Data Layer in some web applications and I must say, it's frustrating at the beginning (the first week or so), but it is totally worth it once the code is deployed.
You should first try it out with a small existing app, or maybe a proof of concept to make sure it will fit your needs.
From the description of the environment you are in, I'm sure you'll realize the benefit almost immediately.
The last company I worked for chose WCF for almost the exact reason you describe above. There is lots of good documentation and books for WCF, its relatively easy to get working, and WCF supports a lot of configuration options.
There can be some headaches when you start trying to bend WCF to work in a way not specifically designed out of the box. These are generally configuration issues. But sites like this or IDesign can help you through those.
First of all, I would definitely not (sorry for the emphasis) worry about the time you'll save using typed DataSet's versus creating your own business objects. That is usually not where you will spend most of your development time. I prefer using business objects myself.
In you're situation I would want to implement a proof-of-concept first. One that addresses all issues you may encounter. This proof-of-concept should implement an entire use case, starting on the client, retrieving data from the database and returning it to the client. You should feel confident about your implementation before continuing.
Then about choice of technology. WCF is definitely a good choice for communication between your client applications and the service layer. I suppose that both your clients as well as your service layer will become C# applications? That makes things a lot easier since interoperability between different platforms (Java/C# for example) is still not trivial although it should work in most cases.
Take a look at Entity Framework (as there are a couple Oracle providers available for it already) in conjunction with .NET 3.5 SP1 which enables built-in WCF serialization of your EF generated classes.
Here is a good blog to get started: http://blogs.msdn.com/dsimmons
CSLA might be a good fit for your N-Tier desktop apps. It supports WCF, has a large dev community, and is well documented. It is very object oriented.