I was making a website for a music band, and i was wondering the best way to play background music on the website without interrupting the flow of the music (even for a split second).
At the moment, i am considering using frames, but this is not supposed to be good practice. Please someone tell me how i can do this. I would prefer to use HTML to code the website as i have not yet mastered coding in flash.
This might sound controversial, but here's an idea: Don't play music on your website. Seriously, don't. I think everyone knows how incredibly annoying that is, and asking a group of software developers to help you out with that is going to be like asking a group of sheep the best way to make a lambskin coat.
If you really have to do it, frames would be the simplest way, so I'd do that. But you're not going to do it anyway, right?
I can think of four ways:
Frames, as you said.
Make your entire website in Flash and have only one page. You need to know Flash to be able to do this, which could make this difficult.
Pop-out your music player. This is probably the easiest approach, but the downside is this could be annoying, and a lot of web browsers these days would block it.
Use AJAX and dynamically load all your site content within one page, like Gmail. Users will need to have newer browsers, and this will take quite a bit of coding on both the client and the server side.
The only way to prevent the music from stopping is to not let the page your music component is on reload. Currently the only way to do this is to use frames, unfortunately.
The only alternative is to develop the whole site in Flash or another technology that doesn't rely on changing pages as navigation.
It wouldn't be pretty but you could do it using AJAX. Have the master page with the header/footer/navigation controls with a big empty content div, and instead of regular links you have calls to AJAX functions that return HTML to be injected in the content div.
I tend to agree with the others who recommend frames. It may be considered "bad practice", but so is playing background music in the first place.
As was said, to do that you have to prevent your website from relaoding.
An option to achieve this might be to use asynchronous requests to modify your website content without reloading the whole page, that's basically what Ajax is about.
That being said, I sort of agree with Alex here : dont' play music.
This may be a topic for another post, but why would you cosnider IFrames to be good practice? you could out the content you want to change into an IFrame and have your code running your music player ouside it. When you load a page it woul load on the IFrame. Just a thought...
You would most likely need flash or a new window (pop-up) outside of the window.
Don't use frames. Ever.
EDIT: To all the people downmodding and commenting on this, not a single person has given a valid reason why you SHOULD use frames.
Just to clarify my position, please read ANY article on usability, the web, and frames.
For those still learning (and to those old people to dumb to update)
Frames break the unified model of the web.
Frames cause problems for search engine robots.
Frames make URLs stop working.
Frames break bookmarking.
Frames make printing more difficult.
Frames hurt accessibility.
Frames increase technical complexity.
and the #1 reason to not use frames......
USERS HATE THEM!
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200411/who_framed_the_web_frames_and_usability/
Are there seriously this many people out there suggesting frames are a valid solution in 2009? How disappointing.
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I am wondering if it is possible to make a stuffs in one psd and link it to another psd so that when I change one the other changes also. I know it sounds kind of weird but I am going to need this.
I am designing a website with about 20 templates and every time I change something in the header I need to open all the other psd and apply the changes. And I cannot do all the templates in only one psd for business reasons.
Google did not help me much or maybe am searching with wrong keywords.
Thanks for your help
Sure, go to the File menu and click Place linked... to link a Smart Object.
If you don't have access to the latest Photoshop, which has this feature, I would suggest to overthink your workflow.
Actually I would suggest it anyways, because I think, designing websites using multiple PSDs, possible having 70% or more showing the same, isn't that efficient. So far, I personally was never in need of doing that.
So, if your websites aren't changing drasticly on every page, I don't see any need in multiple PSDs. This way, the urge for your requested feature (that you can't have anyway without a new Photoshop) would probably be lessend.
We all know that showing inexistent stuff to Google bots is not allowed and will hurt the search positioning but what about the other way around; showing stuff to visitors that are not displayed for Google bots?
I need to do this because I have photo pages each with the short title and the photo along with textarea containing the embed HTML code. googlebot is taking the embed code and putting it at the page description on its search results which is very ugly.
Please advise.
When you start playing with tricks like that, you need to consider several things.
... showing stuff to visitors that are not displayed for Google bots.
That approach is a bit tricky.
You can certainly check User-agents to see if a visitor is Googlebot, but Google can add any number of new spiders with different User-agents, which will index your images in the end. You will have to constantly monitor that.
Testing of each code release your website will have to check "images and Googlebot" scenario. That will extend testing phase and testing cost.
That can also affect future development - all changes will have to be done with "images and Googlebot" scenario in mind which can introduce additional constraints to your system.
Personally I would choose a bit different approach:
First of all review if you can use any methods recommended by Google. Google provides a few nice pages describing that problem e.g. Blocking Google or Block or remove pages using a robots.txt file.
If that is not enough, maybe restructuring of you HTML would help. Consider using JavaScript to build some customer facing interfaces.
And whatever you do, try to keep it as simple as possible, otherwise very complex solutions can turn around and bite you.
It is very difficult to give you very good advise without knowledge of your system, constraints and strategy. But I hope my answer will help you out to choose good architecture / solution for your system.
Boy, you want more.
Google does not because of a respect therefore judge you cheat, he needs a review, as long as your purpose to the user experience, the common cheating tactics, Google does not think you cheating.
just block these pages with robots.txt and you`ll be fine, it is not cheating - that's why they came with solution like that in the first place
I am designing a photography website for a client. The client requested that I make sure no-one "steals" her photos from the website.
As far as I know there is absolutely no way to do this reliably. Obviously disabling right click with JavaScript is very easy to get around.
Even creating the website in Flash does not solve the problem because anyone can just take a screen-shot and easily get anything they can see on the screen.
Short of putting a watermark or logo on each picture, is there any way to make sure no-one takes pictures off the site?
I am pretty sure your only options that do anything for real are watermarks and making sure all the photos are low resolution.
Clearly if I can see the photo then you have sent me the pixels and I can copy/save them if I want. Not much you can do about that.
Watermarks and posting lower resolution pictures are the best ways to prevent 'stealing' (in terms of the ratio between effort and efficiency, that is); in my opinion, of course. You could also use other easy tricks such as a script that disables right-clicks, as you've mentioned.
One other way, that is a lot more complex, is to send your pictures to a Flash viewer, through an encrypted channel. For example, there are some digital music stores that have this small Flash music player that receives the actual song over an encrypted channel. This prevents you from using pack analyzers to grab the data that is being sent.
You can always just press PrtScr, though...
There is now way to do this but you should place a copyright text to your site, licence all content with GPL if you desire and watermark it.
As far as I know there is absolutely no way to do this reliably.
Correct. The only way to make sure it's impossible1 to steal the images is to omit them from the page.
1 Even then, a "hacker" could break into your house and steal the hard drive that the pictures are stored on. Security is hard!
You can make it harder, if you use a viewer (say flash, but this can be Javascript as well) that uses a low res image when fully zoomed out, and uses multiple pictures when zoomed in. The one downloading the picture will have a hard time pasting all those pictures together.
That won't stop people who do have the knowledge to paste it together, but they may be willing to to pay for the use of those pictures, while other 'hobbyists' may want to use the pictures just for their own site or something.
I think you should ask yourself against who and what use you want to protect the pictures. If you don't want anyone to use them, not even a kid pasting it in their homework, you shouldn't post it online at all. But in general you want to protect the pictures from being used illegally in commercial activities. In that case a clear copyright notice is step one. Low-res versions and watermarks are nice extra's, but they will seriously affect the look of the site. So then you will have to ask whether this is like a gallery or a museum where people are supposed to be looking at the full size pictures, or it's just a catalog where people can buy them (like those many stock foto sites).
If I just want the world to see my pictures, it will be hard to protect them. I'd choose for a good copyright message, a signing or a name and url in a corner, and hope for the best.
If I wanted to sell my photo's, I'd not make a website at all, but rather put them up for sale on a stock foto website to reach a larger audience and make use of their infrastructure.
Whatever the choice, it is vitally important that you tell her that you cannot 100% protect pictures on the internet, and that you will not be responsible (i.e. paying for the pictures) if they leak out.
I know they are, but my co-worker doesn't believe me. He keeps telling me that Google crawls the inside content and caches it just fine. According to Google, it does crawl them, but doesn't guarantee doing it properly.
Any thoughts why frames are bad for public web sites?
There are various usability and accessibility issues with frames:
link can open in the frame it is enclosed in (e.g. a side pane);
can break the forward/backward navigation;
difficult to bookmark;
are not easily searchable (likely to see the content in Google, etc.);
break on browsers like Lynx, that are console/terminal based;
difficult to size properly (e.g. consuming height on widescreen monitors for banner frames);
can break with screen readers and magnifiers (for blind users and visual impaired users);
See http://www.angelfire.com/super/badwebs/ for an example of what not to do.
Frames are more difficult to bookmark and, therefore, more difficult to share with others.
http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/frames/goodorbad.html
IFrames (like HTML tables) are not bad. However, people were abusing them quite a lot, thus giving them the bad name.
IFrames do represent a good concept - single visual representation of documents coming from different sources, while keeping the DOM trees properly separated and isolated.
The problem arises when a script in one of the DOM trees needs to access the elements in another tree. Or when people want to reference the document location, which happens to be the URL of the root document, and fail to realize they need to location of the secondary document.
But the biggest problem with frames is that there are sites that want to encapsulated other sites in frame and trick the user to think they are interacting with the framed site, while in fact interacting with the outer one. This is the primary reason why most websites will employ some form of frame-busting scripts for their login pages.
Update: It's Friday and we need some fun, so here's the (obligatory) link to Jeff's post on frames-busting-busters-busting... :-)
At the beginning ...
The idea behind framesets is great. It's alive and kicking today; check StackOverflow's left side panel, or the header. They are fixed divs, which is basically the same thing as having frames, although a lot more flexible.
The very concept of keeping some part while changing another is simply necessary by the logic of webpages. We need something to stay where it was (typically navigation) while we go through a lot of details in the main area. Framesets served this purpose very well, they were easy to use and fully supported by all browsers, meaning 3 at that time (Netscape, IE, Opera).
Then we scorched the sky
The real, practical problems with frames had nothing to do with their basic concept. Instead, it was us being only human. I followed this whole debate very closely so believe me when I say these were the real charges against frame technology:
Designers hated them. Yes, that was the deadliest punch. Everything looked square and straight. They hated it. They wanted arcs and image backgrounds and rounded borders. Now they have it in CSS3 - guess what, they're drawing squares. #whatever
Programmers had trouble with them. It was inconvenient to follow the logic of frames, and you had to do some extra work. I mean, some. Today it's a lot harder to create AJAX solutions for the same problem, but no one complains. #whatever
Websites could include one another. This was painful for some site owners because they worked hard on something and another fella used it as own content. Later, they invented same origin policy, but it was way after starting to hate frames. Content stealing is still an issue today, absolutely unrelated to whether we have frames or not. #whatever
Back button worked differently. Yes, it was a bit annoying. But it was not the frame concept's fault, again: it was browsers who did this to us. Could have been solved easily, but nah, browsers kept going back one by one, not providing the site a way to implement its own "step back" method, and alas, this is still happening today. #whatever
So instead of coming up with a solution, the world's web developers decided to hate frames. They ditched it, and now we live in a world where there are lots of better solutions - but with a lot more effort. This was not the only feature going thru the hate-ditch-reinvent-love cycle; see vertical centering and flexbox, aka the table tag debate - and it will happen many more times because it's always easier to point fingers at something than to learn why it's great.
I don't hate frames; don't miss them either, they belong to a somewhat outdated world of web. But they were a good solution for something, and there's a chance we'll see something similar in the future just as CSS grids came back to implement what table layouts did before. The same community who hates the old solution will happily embrace the new and tell you why it's not the same at all.
I think this story has a single takeaway:
Implementations come and go.Concepts stay and evolve.
Depending on what you want to do, most things done with frames can be done with CSS. CSS stylesheets are compatible with all MODERN browsers, meaning your website will look the same if using firefox, chrome, or IE 7(with some tweaks). Also backward-compatibility is not a concern as users can view the content even with CSS off (where as a website using frames and without a frameless version of the site will be useless to a user with an old browser), it just won't be as stylized. It's also quite easy to learn, and once you get the hang of it you'll wonder why you haven't learned it in the first place.
I know this is an old thread but..
Been using Frames almost all my life and I think they are great. I still have a few websites using frames and I cannot understand why they are being droppped. Read all of the comments above and disagree with most of them. Problem is most people never bothered to overcome the issues.
Link can open in the frame it is enclosed in (e.g. a side pane);
Yes it can, but if you do it properly it does not matter. Frames can in fact be very useful for this precise reason, as clicking on a link will only refresh the frame the link it pointing to, not the entire webpage. In the days of dialup modems at very slow speeds this used to be extremely useful to save on bandwidth and make webpages appear superfast. Dont forget, there are still people around the world today (albeit not many) that have very limited internet connectivity at very slow speeds. (people on sailboats in the middle of oceans, those die hards that dial into the internet using HF radio. Oh and those that live in war zones that revert back to poor mobile phone signals, or possibly even need to dial into the internet in another contry using their infrared connections on mobile phones via a modem)
can break the forward/backward navigation.
Yes it can, but if you do it properly it wont.
difficult to bookmark
again very easy to overcome, requires very little additional work, but can be easily overcome
are not easily searchable (likely to see the content in Google, etc.);
break on browsers like Lynx, that are console/terminal based;
Already covered by somebody else earlier. Personally I have never even heard of Lynx (apart from the deodarant). In fact it used to be quite useful that pages werent searchable when you did not want to get spammed by bots searching for email addresses... Unfortunately Google or somebody figured out how to do it.
Difficult to size properly (e.g. consuming height on widescreen monitors for banner frames);
Clearly whoever wrote this has hardly any experience of using frames. This was exactly why I used frames because I could make it work on any screensize in what some would refer to as Fluid views on modern web design
can break with screen readers and magnifiers (for blind users and visual impaired users);
I suppose it can if screen reading software and maginfiers are cheap and rubbish and dont know what they are doing, probably them that complained about it, but there are others that manage this easily.
The only argument that I think makes sense, is that people were abusing them. Now I would not know how that was done, as I am not in that game, but I suppose it would be easy to use frames to show a copy of lets say a financial payment page inside another another frame which is completely hidden to make it look like the user is on the correct page. Therefore conning users out of their beer tokens. But I believe more modern webbrowsers have been updated to overcome these issues and not allow re-direction where encryption certificates are used.
I can therefore understand why they would want to restrict the use of frames, but dont understand why they need to completely remove what is a pretty good bit of tech. (Bit like saying we are going to stop people from using 0 when they do math as it causes can sometimes cause problems when you add many 0's together.)
I still have some websites that use frames and wonder when I am going to have to re-code them one day.
PS. also note that google calendar and youtube allow one to imbed pages into websites and both of these use iframes.
Of all the forms of CAPTCHA available, which one is the "least crackable" while remaining fairly human readable?
I believe that CAPTCHA is dying. If someone really wants to break it, it will be broken. I read (somewhere, don't remember where) about a site that gave you free porn in exchange for answering CAPTCHAs to they can be rendered obsolete by bots. So, why bother?
Anyone who really wants to break this padlock can use a pair of bolt cutters, so why bother with the lock?
Anyone who really wants to steal this car can drive up with a tow truck, so why bother locking my car?
Anyone who really wants to open this safe can cut it open with an oxyacetylene torch, so why bother putting things in the safe?
Because using the padlock, locking your car, putting valuables in a safe, and using a CAPTCHA weeds out a large spectrum of relatively unsophisticated or unmotivated attackers. The fact that it doesn't stop sophisticated, highly motivated attackers doesn't mean that it doesn't work at all. Using a CAPTCHA isn't going to stop all spammers, but it's going to tremendously reduce the amount that requires filtering or manual intervention.
Heck look at the lame CAPTCHA that Jeff uses on his blog. Even a wimpy barrier like that still provides a lot of protection.
I agree with Thomas. Captcha is on its way out. But if you must use it, reCAPTCHA is a pretty good provider with a simple API.
I believe that CAPTCHA is dying. If someone really wants to break it, it will be broken. I read (somewhere, don't remember where) about a site that gave you free porn in exchange for answering CAPTCHAs to they can be rendered obsolete by bots. So, why bother?
If you're a small enough site, no one would bother.
If you're still looking for a CAPTCHA, I like tEABAG_3D by the OCR Research Team. It's complicated to break and uses your 3D vision. Plus, it being developed by people who break CAPTCHAs for fun.
If you're just looking for a captcha to prevent spammers from bombing your blog, the best option is something simple but unique. For example, ask to write the word "Cat" into a box. The advantage of this is that no targeted captcha-breaker was developed for this solution, and your small blog isn't important enough for someone to actually develop one. I've used such a captcha on my blog with some success for a couple of years now.
This information is hard to really know because I believe a CAPTCHA gets broken long before anybody knows about it. There is economic incentive for those that break them to keep it quiet.
I used to work with a guy whose job revolved mostly around breaking CAPTCHA's and I can tell you the one giving them fits currently is reCAPTCHA.
Now, does that mean it will forever, call me skeptical.
I wonder if a CAPTCHA mechanism that uses collage made of pictures and asks human to type what he sees in the collage image will be much more crack-proof than the text and number image one. Imagine that the mechanism stitches pictures of cat, cup and car into a collage image and expects human visitor to tick (checkboxes) cat, cup, and car. How long do you think will hackers and crackers will come up with an algorithm to crack the mechanism (i.e. extract image elements from the collage and recognize the object depicted by each picture) ...
If you wanted you could try out the Microsoft Research project Asirra: http://research.microsoft.com/asirra/
CAPTCHAS, I believe should start being considered heavily when designing the UX. They're slow, cumbersome, and a very poor user experience. They are useful, don't get me wrong but perhaps you should look into designing a honeypot.
A honeypot is created by adding a hiddenfield at the bottom of the form. Because spam bots will fill in all the fields on the page blindly you can do a check:
If honeypotfield <> Empty Then
"No Spam TY"
Else
//Proceed with the form
End If
This works until there is a specifically designed spambot for your site, so they can choose to fill out selected input fields.
For more information: http://haacked.com/archive/2007/09/11/honeypot-captcha.aspx/
As far as I know, the Google's one is the best that there is. It hasn't been broken by computer programs yet. What I know that the crackers have been doing is to copy the image and then send it to many phishing websites where humans solve them to enter those websites.
It doesn't matter if captchas are broken or not now -- there are Indian firms that do nothing but process captchas. I'm with the rest of the group in saying that Captchas are on their way out.
Here is a cool link to create CAPTCHA..... http://www.codeproject.com/aspnet/CaptchaImage.asp
Just.. don't.. There are several reasons use of captcha is not advised.
http://www.interfacegeek.com/dont-ever-use-captchas/
I use uniqpin.com - it's easy to use and not annoying for users. So, bots can recognise a text, but can't recognize a image.
Death by Captcha can solve any Regular CAPTCHA (incude reCAPTCHA), but not Speedcoin Cryptocurrency Captcha.
Death by Captcha - http://deathbycaptcha.com
Speedcoin Captcha - http://speedcoin.co/info/captcha/Speedcoin_Captcha.html