Out of interest and because it infuriates me, I was wondering if SOmebody here might happen to work for a bank or otherwise know the answer to this.
I've used a few online banking sites (UK and N.America) and they universally enforce a password pattern of /[\w\d]{6,8}/ Sometimes, maybe you get to use underscore, but never ever do you get to have /.{6,20}/ that you get (more or less) with just about every !banking site you'll encounter.
I have been told that this is to do with storage space, but the maths don't seem to support that. Assuming that banks keep shadow tables for your password record, let's generously say an average of 10 per account, then doubling the allowed length of the password and doubling the bit width of the character set based on an 8char 8bit existing format means an extra 11*2*8 = 176 bytes per account, so ~168Mb per 1M accounts. Let's say it's a gigantic bank supporting 100M accounts - that's still only 16Gb!
It can't be that simple can it? Surely my numbers are off base.
Or is the answer here that banks being banks they have no better reason for this than they're plodding dinosaurs.
Does anyone know a technical reason why my password for www.random.com/forum is stronger than the one for my bank?
If the stories I've heard about certain banks are true...
It's because whenever you enter your password:
The web server sends it over a half-kilometre-long serial cable to an old 386 in an abandoned office, running the UI (Compiled using a custom-hacked version of Borland C 1.0) that was used by bank managers in 1989, which doesn't have a serial interface so it has to go through another device that simulates keypresses on an AT keyboard.
This program inserts your request including your password (encrypted using a custom algorithm that's too weak to be used anymore but which cannot be disabled in the software) into a FoxPro database on a NetWare file server in a different abandoned office at the opposite end of the building (just because it would fall to bits if they tried to move it.)
Back in the 1st abandoned office another old 386, constantly polling the FoxPro database for new records, detects this request and forwards it over an even slower serial cable (this time in EBCDIC) to another box in a 3rd office that is emulating a PDP11 running the actual COBOL program that maintains the accounts.
Unfortunately they also still need the real PDP11, because it had custom microcode for another secure encryption algorithm (which they can't extract or the anti-tamper device will erase it.) The PDP11 can't handle the increased workload of all accounts opened since 1981 (the year of their first unsuccessful attempt to retire it) so now (via another layer of screen scrapers and emulated hard disks) it is tricked into performing a subset of functions (including password verification) on behalf of the main server.
So your password can only use the common subset of the character sets supported by all these systems, and can only be as long as the shortest database field involved.
I actually work in a bank right now, and have worked in quite a few in the past.
The primary reason that this happens is that in general the people who are ultimately responsible for making these decisions are not the people who end up implementing them.
The "Business Unit" of a bank are the non-technical business experts who end up making these decisions.
In many cases, technical objections will be overruled for political or business reasons. But this isn't exclusive to banking. It happens in any industry where technical considerations are often not the primary concern.
Banks use online services primarily as an interface to legacy systems. Your password is probably being processed by an IBM mainframe somewhere, written in Cobol, and the password structure may have been designed in the 70's.
In addition, because banks are such political structures, the management primarily sees "concrete" results so issues such as security are not addressed until it becomes a hot issue and then there is an "initiative" to address it.
At one bank I worked for, the production password was the same as the userid (same idea as logging in with "root" "root"). The user passwords could be reset online to a combination of first N letters of your last name + last 4 digits of your SSN, so any user could reset your password if they knew your name and SSN and loginas you .
Probably most of banking systems were developed long time ago, when 8 character passwords were considered secured. I don't think anyone would consider brute forcing passwords from banking accounts anyway, 8 characters it still a lot. I bet all banks block an account after 3 attempts or so.
Here is a "bug" I got logged in Bugzilla regarding a site I'd built for a client recently (not a bank, thankfully!):
"It seems that the user is forced to use a ! or _ in their password* which seems a bit odd to me. Can this ben updated so that it is a 6 - 8 digit password that can only use alphanumerics?"
Actually, it was at least one non alpha-numeric character
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To strengthen the authentication mechanism (web), I would like to log a user fingerprint for every attempt and apply pattern recognition to distinguish malicious attempts. For example if the user always logs in from European computers and there is an attempt made from China, the user is blocked until the user confirms (via email, for example) to allow logins from China.
I have a very, very small knowledge of pattern recognition from a university course. However, I cannot recall enough to start developing this service. What I know is that you should look at these various features:
Browser agent string, resulting in:
Operating system
Browser vendor
IP address, resulting in:
Location
Time stamp of login
Number of (failed) attempts (within session, or total)
You search for patterns and any extraordinary attempt is marked because it does not follow the average pattern. You probably will apply a threshold, so if a user logs in at night or has a new PC, it still works.
There are also a few requirements: first, the check of an attempt must be made real-time. You cannot block access after 2 minutes if the credentials were OK but you found out later on the attempt could have been malicious. Furthermore, all our apps are written in PHP, but PHP is probably too slow for this. I prefer to use Python then, but subsequently there is also a binding to Python required.
So the question is: where to start? What is the best approach to accomplish this? I can log all data in a key storage like Redis or document based like Mongo. How would I design a service which allows to validate a new attempt with certain features against a bulk of known other attempts? And return whether the attempt matches the average within a timely fashion, say 250ms.
What you want to do is called anomaly detection- wikipedia is a good place to start. As a first stab, you might want to try clustering:
you will need a data set. The good news is clustering is unsupervised, so you will not have to mark up a ton of login attempts as regular or malicious.
For a given user, keep a history of their past N logins (big brother warning!) and features of those logins. The features you have listed are a good start, but you can think of more.
apply a clustering algorithm to estimate what the average login is like. For every new attempt you can calculate the distance from the average and decide if it look malicious or not.
As a side not, you can go a long way without learning. My intuition is the location of the login and the number of failed attempts will get you most of the way there. A simple if-else might be good enough.
I'm thinking through how to develop a validation on my Rails app that essentially checks to make sure that the credit card used for any given transaction by any user is unique in our system, such that all credit card may be used to purchase an item only once across the entire application for all users, for all time.
The thinking behind this restriction is that this app will sometimes run time-sensitive promotional deals, and we want to do our best to institute a "one purchase per credit card" system for these deals.
I was thinking of hashing the credit card number and just storing that hash in the db, then cross-referencing it at the time of each new purchase (so my payment gateway keeps the actual number, and I just keep a hash in the DB), but on further research, this seems like a bad idea.
So I'm back to the drawing board and looking for new ideas. Anyone know a good approach to this problem, while keeping as PCI-compliant as I can be?
I'm developing with Rails 3 and using ActiveMerchant to integrate with my payment gateway, Authorize.net, if that helps at all.
Certainly some hashing is a bad idea - either because it's low security, has some intercepts, or so commonly used there's rainbow tables. That doesn't mean all hashing is a bad idea - the only way to cross reference is going to be some way of uniquely and predictably identifying the information. Unless PCI specifically prohibits it - hashing is still the way to go.
Salt
Make sure you salt your hash - this prevents rainbow attacks, or at least requires the rainbow-attacker build a table with your salt in mind. In particular if you can keep the salt reasonably secure {I say only reasonably because in order to generate you need to have the salt which means it'll be in code somewhere}.
Choose a Good Algorithm
While MD5 is now infamous, and implemented in all kinds of languages, it's also so common that you can find pre-made rainbow tables. It's also extremely quick to generate a hash. Your system can probably tolerate a small amount of delay, and use a much more processor-intensive hash. This makes the cost of generating a rainbow table much more expensive. Check out the Tiger algorithm for example.
Hash more than once
If you have multiple related data points, multiple hashes are going to make it way harder to do a rainbow attack. For example: Hash(Hash(Card#+salt1)+expireDate+salt2) - requires knowledge of both the card # and the date to generate (easy for you) but can't easily be reverse-engineered (rainbow requires for every card # * every useful expire date + knowledge of both salts).
Edit: (your comments)
Reasonably secure: Only transmit it over an encrypted connection (SFTP, SSH), don't store it unencrypted - including live/iterative and backup copies, keep the file with the salt outside of the web tree (cannot be directly accessed/accidentally released), make sure permissions on the file are as restrictive as possible (don't allow group/global file access).
Dynamic salt throwing a random value into the hash is great for reducing rainbow attacks - you store that random piece in the table with the hashed value - now when building a rainbow you have to build one for every dynamic salt. However for your needs you can't do this - you need to know the right random salt to use the second time you create the hash (otherwise you'll never get an intercept on the second card use)... for that to be predictable/repeatable you'd then have to base the dynamic salt on some part of the number... which is effectively what multiple hashing with another data point does. The more data points you have the more you can hash in this direction - if you have the CVV for example (3 hashes), or perhaps you hash 8 digits at a time (for a total of 3 hashes: hash(hash(hash(1..8+salt1)+9..16+salt2)+expDate+salt3)).
Best Hash it's a moving target, but there's a good discussion on security.stackexchange. Which points to SHA-512.
faking your true credit card number online is the best way to prevent this from happening. Citibank clients can login and make use of this tool provided with all accounts. Just generate a number and exp date for use online, and all is fine , for now.
I think you are looking in the wrong direction. I would just check last 4 of card, ip and shipping addresses. The risks of storing that data versus the damage if a small number of users gamed the last 4 & ip solution is not worth it. (He says not knowing the nature of the purchases.)
Since address isn't collected...First 4, Last 4 and 4 Digit Expiration (all hashed of course) should provide the uniqueness you need to ensure that card was only used once.
If you want a "one purchase per user" system then why don't you just check the user's purchase history whenever they try to buy a special-purchase item to ensure that they haven't bought it previously?
user could register for multiple accounts.
although by checking users history, as well as enforcing 1 item per address for each purchase- you will likely be fine- you could also limit things by users name/ birthday/ whatever other identifying information.
Credit Card information can also change by the way- its actually very easy to purchase 100 gift credit cards with unique numbers so if you want to police things down to the most minute level... I dont think you will be able to just by cc numbers
I have a vb application where I was using an online mysql database for user access. The online database had username, password, then a bunch of single digit (basically yes/no) fields for determining which items that user was allowed to access. When a user would log in, the database retrieved all the 'yes' answers and enabled those buttons, and retrieved all the 'no' answers and disabled those buttons.
My issue is there is a very good possibility that any given user will not be online. So I thought of copying the online database to a local device (this program is going to be running on windows tablets that may or may not have internet - possibly never having internet connection). This would suffice except a user may use a different tablet and that device wouldn't know what the user is allowed to access (based on a lack of internet connection).
So my new approach is when a user registers, having them provide first name, last name, phone number, and email address. At this point in time I would also select which buttons they are authorized to use. I want to put all that info into a code (probably a hash) so the next time the user would login (online or offline), they would use their first name, last name, and the generated code. The user could even go to a different device and still get the same result. I hope this makes sense.
So basically I am looking for a way (I am pretty sure hashing is involved) that would allow a user to register with some info, receive a code that ties it together, then log on to any windows tablet that is running my program without the device ever having to go online to download a new list of authorized users.
Thanks in advance.
A hash is part of what you're thinking of, but not the whole thing. A key part of a hash is that it's not reversible, and so you can't use a hash on it's own to communicate information like which buttons to enable/disable. It does sound like you also need to implement hashing elsewhere in your system (NEVER store unhashed passwords!). The rest of what you need for this question are secure check digits.
The idea is that you generate a number with a few holes/empty spaces, where different parts of the number have different meaning. It might look something like:
4325_-23R3_-F257_-D982_-__
A few of those characters are a hash of the user information, with the bits from other characters corresponding to your Yes/No database fields. Once you have this much, you have an algorithm (using a secure key) that computes what characters belong in the missing spaces, and then you can issue the final number to your user. Your software will take the number entered by the user, and check to the make sure the check digits it comes up with match the check digits entered.
There is a downside to this approach. Allowing offline activation means including including the key used to compute the check digits with your product, and as with any digital security once you put that kind of thing out in the wild crackers will be able to find a way to get at it.
Now let's move on to the big gaping security hole in your current code. You state that your database stores a username and password. I'm hoping that you're just simplifying things, but this is a huge problem, to that point that I can't in conscience leave it unchallenged. Instead of storing the actual password, you should hash the password and store only the hash. When someone wants to log in, you hash the attempted password they try to use and compare the hashes. This is a big deal, and if you're not doing that, you're doing it wrong.
That also over-simplifies it a bit. You also want to salt your passwords before hashing them, to help thwart dictionary attacks on common hash results. Additionally, choice of hashing algorithm matters. md5 does not cut it here. Your best option is bcrypt or scrypt, but you can use sha1 for now if you really have to.
The biggest thing to know here is that you should never try to build your own authentication system. It's easy to get it close enough that it passes all your tests, but is still wrong in some subtle way that won't know about until a year later when you find out you were hacked six months ago. Instead, look for a pre-written component or product for your existing platform to handle this. Rely as much as possible on code from projects (and programmers) that specialize in this area.
I have a program designed in VB.net for a wafer probing system. The software has 3 main components that come standard and three that are options. When a customer decides not to have the three options they are disabled but still in the program. If at some point they decide to buy the options, one of our technicians would have to go there and be able to access the program with an administrative account to enabled the components.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what the easiest way to accomplish this?
The absolute simplest mechanism would be to create a registry key for each component, set them to 0 by default, and have the technician change them to 1. The program would just check the registry key every time a user tries to access one of the optional parts of the application.
You could get fancier and give each customer a license key for each component, and the license keys would be stored instead of 0 or 1. If the license key validates (based on some secret property that every generated license key shares) then you let them access the optional part of the application. This has the advantage that you can keep records of who is given which key, so if your software starts getting copied around the internet, you know who shared their license key. Also it would be more difficult (not much more difficult) to unlock the optional components without paying.
The trouble is, in both cases you're at the mercy of security through obscurity and it would be rather simple to unlock the full program without paying. You have to rely on penalty clauses in your contract to scare them away from changing those values or sharing their license keys. If your customers' machines ever connect to the internet you could try submitting the values of the registry keys to a web service periodically to ensure compliance (this is evil).
Unfortunately, that's kind of the end of the story. There has really never been a successful technology-based DRM scheme that has survived scrutiny over time, even on platforms where they designed the hardware. Basically what I'm saying is, this is an unsolved problem, so don't overthink it.
In my community, every user should only have one account.
So I need a solution to verify that the specific account is the only one the user owns. For the time being, I use email verification. But I don't really need the users' email adresses. I just try to prevent multiple accounts per person.
But this doesn't work, of course. People create temporary email addresses or they own several addresses, anyway. So they register using different email addresses and so they get more than one account - which is not allowed.
So I need a better solution than the (easy to circumvent) email verification. By the way, I do not want to use OpenID, Facebook Connect etc.
The requirements:
verification method must be accessible for all users
there should be no costs for the user (at least 1$)
the verification has to be safe (safer than the email approach)
the user should not be demanded to expose too much private details
...
Do you have ideas for good approaches? Thank you very much in advance!
Additional information:
My community is a browser game, namely a soccer manager game. The thing which makes multiple accounts attractive is that users can trade their players. So if you have two accounts, you can buy weak players for excessive prices which no "real" buyer would pay. So your "first account" gets huge amounts of money while the "second account" becomes poor. But you don't have to care: Just create another account to make the first one richer.
You should ask for something more unique than an email. But there is no way to be absolutly sure a player don't own two account.
The IP solution is not a solution, as people playing from a compagny/school/3G will have the same IP. Also, Changing IP is easy (reset the router, proxy, use your 3G vs wifi)
Some web site (job-offer, ...) ask you for an official ID number (ID, passport, social security, driver licence, visa (without the security number, so peolple will feel safe that you won't charge them), ...)
This solution got a few draw back:
minor don't always have an ID / visa
pepole don't like to give away this kind of info. (in fact, depending where you live: in spain for example, it is very common to ask for ID number)
people own more than one visa.
it is possible to generate valide ID/visa number.
Alternative way:
ask for a fee of 1$
to be allow to trade more than X players / spend more than X money.
people that pay the fee got some advantage : less ads, extra players, ...
paying a fee, will limitate creation of multiple account.
fee can be payed using taxed phone number (some compagny provide international system)
the payment medium could be use as an ID (visa number)
put some restriction in new account (like SO).
eg: "you have to play at least 1 hour before trading a player"
eg: "you have to play at least 3 hour before trading more than 3 players"
Use logic to detect multiple account
use cookie to detect multiple account
check last connection time of both player before a transaction. (if player A logout 1 minute before player B login : somethings is going on)
My recommandation :
Use a mix of all thoses methode, but keep the user experience fluide without "form to fill now to continue"
Very interesting question! The basic problem here is multi-part -
Opening an account is trivial (because creating new email IDs is trivial).
But the effect of opening an account in the game is NOT trivial. Opening a new account basically gives you a certain sum of money with which to buy players.
Transferring money to another account is trivial (by trading players).
Combining 1 & 2, you have the problem that new players have an unfair advantage (which they would not have in the real world). This is probably okay, as it drives new users to your site.
However adding 3 to the mix, you have the problem that new players are easily able to transfer their advantage to the old players. This allows old users to game the system, ruining fun for others.
The solution can be removing either 1,2,3.
Remove 1 - This is the part you are focusing on. As others have suggested, this is impossible to do with 100% accuracy. But there are ways that will be good enough, depending on how stringent your criterion for "good enough" is. I think the best compromise is to ask the user for their mobile phone numbers. It's effective and allows you to contact your users in one more way. Another way would be to make your service "invite only" - assuring that there is a well defined "trail" of invites that can uniquely identify users.
Remove 2 - No one has suggested this which is a bit surprising. Don't give new users a bunch of money just for signing up! Make them work for it, similar to raising seed capital in the real world. Does your soccer simulation have social aspects? How about only giving the users money once their "friend" count goes above a certain number (increasing the number of potential investors who will give them money)?
Remove 3 - Someone else has already posted the best solution for this. Adopt an SO like strategy where a new user has to play for 3 hours before they are allowed to transfer players. Or maybe add a "training" stage to your game which forces a new player to prove their worth by making enough money in a simulated environment before they are allowed to play with the real users.
Or any combination of the above! Combined with heuristics like matching IP addresses and looking for suspicious transactions, it is possible to make cheating on the game completely unviable.
Of course a final thing you need to keep in mind is that it is just a game. If someone goes to a lot of trouble just to gain a little bit of advantage in your simulation, they probably deserve to keep it. As long as everyone is having fun!
I know this is probably nothing you have expected, but...
My suggestion would be to discourage people from creating another account by offering some bonus values if they use the same account for a longer period, a kind of loyalty program. For some reason using a new account gives some advantages. Let's eliminate them. There are a lot of smart people here, so if you share more details on the advantages someone could come up with some idea. I am fully convinced this is on-topic on SO though.
We have implemented this by hiding the registration form. Our customers only see the login form where we use their mobile number as username and send the password by text message.
The backend systems match the mobile number to our master customer database which enforces that the mobile number is unique.
Here is an idea:
Store UUID in a cookie at clients. Each user login store the UUID from Cookie in relation to the account entity in the databse.
Do the same with the IP adresses instead of UUID.
After that write a program interface for your game masters that:
Show up different account names but same IP (within last x hours)
Show up different account names but same UUID (nevertheless how long ago)
Highlight datasets from the two point above where actions (like player transfers) happened which can be abused by using multiple accounts
I do not think you should solve that problem by preventing people having two or more accounts. This is not possible and ineffective. Make it easier to find that evil activities and (automatically temporarly) ban these people.
It's impossible to accomplish this with a program.
The closest you can do is to check the ip address. But it can change, and proxies exist.
Then you could get the computer MAC address, but a network card can be changed. And a computer too.
Then, there is one way to do this, but you need to see the people face to face. Hand them a piece of paper with a unique code. They can only subscribe if they have the code.
The most effective solution might be the use of keystroke biometrics. A person can be identified by the way the person writes a sentence.
This company provides a product which can be used to implement your requirements: http://www.psylock.com/en
I think 1 account per email address should be good enough for your needs. After all, account verification doesn't have to end right after signup.
You can publish the IP address of the computer each message was posted from to help your users detect when someone is using multiple accounts from the same computer, and you can use a ranking system to discourage people from using temporary accounts.
Do your game dynamics allow for you to require that both users be online for a trade to occur? If so, you can verify the IP addresses of both users involved in a trade, which would be the same unless the user was paying for multiple internet connections and accessing two accounts from separate machines.
Address the exact scenario that you're saying is a problem.
Keep track of the expected/fair trade value of players and prevent blatantly lope-sided trades, esp. for new accounts. Assume the vast majority of users in your system are non-cheaters.
You can also do things like trickle in funds/points for non-trading actions/automatically overtime, etc.
Have them enter their phone number and send a text message to it. Then, keep a unique of all the cell phone numbers. Most people have one cell phone, and aren't going to ask their friend to borrow it just to create a second account.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways
I would suggest an approach using two initiatives:
1) Don't allow brand new accounts to perform trades. Accounts must go through a waiting period and prove that the account is legitimate by performing some non-trade actions.
2) Publicize the fact that cheaters will be disqualified and punished. Periodically perform searches for accounts being used to dump bad players and investigate. Ban/disqualify cheaters and publicize the bans so that people know the rules are being enforced.
No method would be foolproof but the threat of punishment should minimize cheating.
actually you can use fingerprintjs to track every user, use js encrypt the fingerprint in browser and decrypt in server