I'm completely new to the space and i have a project that i would like to complete, the project is basically: extracting sensor data in the form of MODBUS than sending the data out through CANBUS. i already have a mod-bus input and a can-bus output.
researching into MODBUS has been a bit confusing so sorry if these questions seem a bit stupid.
Is it possible to write code which can convert MODBUS to CANBUS? or will i need external hardware.
additionally, i'm looking to add a microprocessor to my dev board, is there anything in specific i should look for that would help with my modbus and canbus operations? or will any microprocessor work.
thank you
The basics of all data communication is the OSI model. Start there. Then you'll eventually find out that Modbus is an application layer protocol standard and CAN is a physical/data-link layer standard.
Therefore your question doesn't make any sense. You can't convert an application layer into a physical/data-link layer. You can however convert Modbus to some specific application tier protocol for CAN, such as for example CANopen, Device Net or J1939. Or a custom one.
The lowest layers underneath Modbus is UART and most likely RS-485. Possibly RS-232.
You will need a RS-485 or RS-232 transceiver between the Modbus sensor and your MCU. And you will need a CAN transceiver between your MCU and the CAN bus. Additionally, it is very strongly advised to pick a MCU with built-in CAN controller hardware.
Pick a target hardware that suits your project, don't pick some random dev board and then try to duct tape it with misc hardware to suit the project requirements.
However, the hardware is the easy part. Buying and configuring protocol stacks for whatever application protocols you are using is the hard and expensive part.
Also, there are lots of companies making gateways, so why re-invent the wheel. If you need to convert between for example Modbus and CANopen, these are both well-known industry standards. Consider just buying a gateway.
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I'm trying to interface a board level USB camera with a STM32 family microcontroller and send the image file to a central computer using CANbus. Just want to know if this is possible/ has been done before and how involved a task it would be.
I worked at a company where we sent live (low-resolution infra-red) video streams over CAN, but towards the end of my time there they shifted towards ethernet.
So it is possible, but certainly not what it is best suited for. The main advantages of CAN are that it is a multi-point, multi-master bus with built in arbitration. It is meant for short packets, typically 8 bytes (CAN FD allows you to increase that).
If your camera is USB, why not just get a USB repeater cable or USB-over-ethernet gateway?
If there is already a CAN network in place that you are piggy-backing onto then you need to consider what impact you will have on the existing traffic.
If you are starting from scratch then of course CAN will work but it would be an odd choice.
Depending on if its CAN or CANFD (Affects the maximum bulk transfer packet size) you have higher level protocol options to packetise your images and send them over canbus like any other block of data.
For just reguarlar CAN your after part of the standard called J1939.21 Data Link Layer, there are public versions of this floating around online, however due to the agreement when purchasing the standard, I am not able to share the specifics from what I have.
Its on pages 27-28 of the 2001 revision.
I have a custom ps2 keyboard(8x8 matrix) interfaced with AT89C51ED2 microcontroller, now I need to change it to USB interface. I have been studying about the basics of USB HID class communication(USB HID class specs, USB complete, Beyond logic) and have come to know little bit about the theory behind it.
But I am not able to understand the firmware part, I read a demo keypad application by Microchip which had given a sample source code, but I am not able to understand in the code how data(key pressed) is sent to the IN endpoint and how the host reads that through polling. I know that endpoint is a buffer from which data is sent to host, but Is it one of the registers of the micro-controller and how do I use it in my code?.
And I have been searching the suitable micro-controller with USB support, but no supported demo's are available, any suggestions will be helpful
The AT89C51ED2 datasheet does not mention hardware support for USB, so the answer is no: an endpoint does not correspond to a hardware register. Instead, an endpoint would refer to some software buffers in the RAM of the chip, and some data to keep track of the endpoint's state. Every bit of every USB packet must be handled by the firmware of the device, and endpoints are an abstraction that live entirely in the firmware of your device.
Note: I am assuming that the keyboard doesn't have some kind of USB interface chip, and that the data lines of the USB cable connect more-or-less directly to the microcontroller.
If you can't find the source code for the keyboard, you might look into using an open-source AVR software USB implementation. Here are some useful links:
https://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/
http://www.fischl.de/usbasp/
Please note that you are undertaking an advanced project, and if you are not familiar with AVRs, USB, microcontrollers, reverse engineering, and embedded development/debugging, it might be useful to start with something simpler first.
I would like to have Arduino operating in a CAN network. Does the software that provides OSI model network layer exist for Arduino? I would imagine detecting the HI/LOW levels with GPIO/ADC and sending the signal to the network with DAC. It would be nice to have that without any extra hardware attached. I don't mind to have a terminating resistor required by the CAN network though.
By Arduino I mean any of them. My intention is to keep the development environmen.
If such a software does not exist, is there any technical obstacle for that, like limited flash size (again, I don't mean particular board with certain Atmega chip).
You can write a bit banging CAN driver, but it has many limitations.
First it's the timeing, it's hard to achieve the bit timing and also the arbitration.
You will be able to get 10kb or perhaps even 50kb but that consumes a huge amount of your cpu time.
And the code itself is a pain.
You have to calculate the CRC on the fly (easy) but to implement the collision detection and all the timing parameters is not easy.
Once, I done this for a company, but it was a realy bad idea.
Better buy a chip for 1 Euro and be happy.
There are several CAN Bus Shield boards available (e.g: this, and this), and that would be a far better solution. It is not just a matter of the controller chip, the bus interface, line drivers, and power all need to be considered. If you have the resources and skills you can of course create your own board or bread-board for less.
Even if you bit-bang it via GPIO you would need some hardware mods I believe to handle bus contention detection, and it would be very slow and may not interoperate well with "real" CAN controllers on the bus.
If your aim is to communicate between devices of your own design rather than off-the shelf CAN devices, then you don't need CAN for that, and something proprietary will suffice, and a UART will perform faster that a bit-banged CAN implementation.
I don't think, that such software exists. CAN bus is more complex, than for example I2C. Basically you would have to implement functionality of both CAN controller and CAN transceiver. See this thread for more details (in German).
Alternatively you could use one of the CAN shields. Another option were to use BeagleBone with suitable CAN cape.
Also take a look at AVR-CAN.
I'm not interested in a hardware solution, I want to know about software that may "read" modulated signal received trough the power supply - some sort of a low-level driver that would access the power signal in a convenient place and demodulate it.
Is there a way to receive signal from the computer's power supply? I'm interested in an API or library that would allow the computer to be seen as a node in a Power Line Communication network and receive data directly through the power cable, without the need for a converter. Is there any active research in this field?
Edit:
There is software that reads monitors and displays internal component voltages - DC voltage after being converted and filtered by the power supply - now I need is a method of data encoding that would be invariant to conversion and filtering, the original signal embedded in AC being present in some form within the converted DC signal.
This is not possible, as described in the question. Yes, with extra hardware you can do it. No, with the standard hardware in a PC, you could not.
As others have noted, among other problems, the only information you can get from a generic PC is a bit of voltage info for the CPU. It's not going to give a picture of the AC signal, nor any signal modulated on top of it. You'll be watching a few highly regulated DC signals deep inside the computer, probably converted at a relatively low rate too. Almost by definition, if you could see external information on any of those signals, your machine is already suffering a hardware failure and chances are the CPU will be crashing soon...
*blink* No...
Edit: I mean, there's the possibility to use the powerlines as network cables, but only with special adapters. And it is just designed for home networks.
Edit2: You can't read something from the power supply of a computer...it's not designed for that. You would have to create your own component/adapter for this.
Am I mis-reading this? Wouldnt this be a pure hardware solution?
This is highly improbable without adding some hardware.
You see, the power supplies in a regular PC are switching power supplies which effectively decouple the AC input from the supplied DC voltage needed on the PC side. The AC side just basically provides power that fuels the high-speed power switching circuitry.
Also, a DC signal, by definition, doesn't provide a signal per se: it is a "static" power level (and yes the power level does vary a bit in the time domain but not as an easy to leverage function).
Yes there can be an AD (Analog to Digital) monitoring chip that can be used on the PC side to read the voltage of the DC component supplied to the motherboard etc., but that doesn't mean there is still a signal that can be harvested: the original power line "signal" might have been through enough filters that there isn't a "signal" left to be processed.
Lastly, one needs to consider that power supplies design varies from company to company; this fact will undoubtedly affect any possible design of a communication solution.
what you describe is possible but unfortunately, you need an adapter to convert the signal running on the powerlines to sensible network traffic.
the power line acts as a physical medium, thus is at the lowest level f the OSI stack. conversion from electrical signal to sensible network traffic requires a hardware adapter, same for your an ethernet adapter. your computer is unable to understand this traffic since its power supply was not build to transmit those informations. but note that you can easily find an adapter and it will works the same as an ethernet adapter, that is be accessible through the standard BSD socket library.
This is ENTIRELY possible, although you would need to either buy or build some hardware to make it happen. In addition, the software solution would be very, very complex.
The computer's power supply would be out of the picture for the most part. You need to read data straight from the wall with as little extraneous noise as possible. From the electrical engineering perspective, this is a very thoroughly covered topic. In the end, all you're really doing is an analog to digital conversion, and the rest keeps your circuit from being fried.
The software solution would basically be eliminating random noise, and looking for embedded signals. The math behind analog signal analysis is very complex, and you can spend a few semesters in college covering the topic, and the rest of your career trying to master it. If you're good at it, there's a cushy job for you on wallstreet predicting the stock market.
And that only covers reading incoming signals. Transmitting is a whole 'nother sport.
Now, it also sounds like you might be interested in a hack. That is...
You could buy a
commercial-off-the-shelf power-line
Ethernet adapter and tear it apart.
They have two prongs that plug into
a standard wall outlet. You could
remove these and wire them to the
INSIDE of a power supply.
To do that, you'd have to tear apart a power
supply as well, which is incredibly
dangerous and I hereby warn you and
anyone else to NEVER attempt this.
The entire Ethernet adapter could be
tucked into the power supply and you
could basically have an Ethernet
port on the surface of your power
supply (either inside or outside the
computer).
Simply wire that to a
standard Ethernet adapter and voila
(!), you have nothing but a power
cable connecting your computer to
the wall outlet, AND you magically have
Ethernet!
Note that there also has to be another power-line
Ethernet adapter somewhere else for
you to establish a network and make the whole project useful.
How can you read modulated data from the power supply, you are talking about voltage and ohms and apart from a possible electrical shock which would be just shocking :) There are specialized electrical plugs with ethernet jacks in them that you can use.
I just hazard a guess that this is totally transparent as per Adrien Plisson's answer, i.e. you would have all of the OSI layer and is no different. You can write code to read from the sockets.
AFAIK no company that produces this electrical plug would ever open up the API for competition reasons, it is still in early stages as adoption of that is low because obviously it is very expensive (120 euro here in my country for a pair of 'em), as it does not deliver the quoted speed, say 100Mbps power plug, may get maybe 85Mbps due to varying situations and phenomena with power (think surges, brown outs, interference).
My 2cents.
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
Tom.
I have been doing desktop programming for a while but want to get started with interfacing with hardware. Specifically, I would like to learn how to use serial ports to take an external event and alert my application (so for example, I can turn on a camera when motion is detected by an external sensor).
Please tell me how to get started, what type of sensors, what books (or online resources) are available. I tried Bing and Google but I need more pointers.
Serial interfaces are fairly simple to work with. But they do require some sort of a decoder on the other end (such as a UART.) Another option would be using the parellel port. The advantage of using a parallel port is you start with a break out of the I/O pins. You can typically control 8 devices with a very simple to build interface.
Most platforms gave a simple way to gain access to the LPT ports without too much effort and again they are very easy to interface.
Quick results for tutorials...
Parallel Port Programming
Parallel port output circuit
A tutorial on Parallel port interfacing
LPT Port Info...
Parallel Port (PC)
LapLink Cable
Printer Cable
IEEE 1284-B
IEEE 1284-C
Centronics (36 pin)
I would recommend you the book Linux Device Drivers 3rd Edition
Although I haven't programmed any hardware interface yet, I think this book will get you ready to start hacking.
There really aren't a lot of one-size-fits-all tips for this. You're going to need to look at the documentation for your device, it should specify the protocol of what it will send over the serial port and what commands you can send in return.
Make sure you understand things like what means to have a text encoding like ASCII or UTF8. Most any device that sends and expects text will use an ASCII encoding.
I'm not sure what OS or language you're using, but be aware that you're sending raw binary data through a serial port, so for example if you're using C# you would want to wrap your serial port data stream with a StreamWriter or StreamReader with the correct text encoding.
If you can find an old modem online or craigslist that might be a good start. The serial comms specs for those are pretty well documented.
After that I would just start investigating things that you are interested in - your interest in the project will drive the learning and progress more than anything IMO.
I think this site has some fun things to try:
http://blogs.msdn.com/coding4fun/
You should get a data acquisition hardware and interface with that.
http://www.dataq.com/products/hardware/
If you just want to learn how to use the serial port, get another PC with HyperTerminal (included free with Windows), and use it to send and receive data from your development machine over the serial port. This will give you very manual control over what's sent to your development box, so you can get some confidence that what you're reading and writing is correct. Once you've got the basics of serial I/O down, you can move on to your camera/motion sensor/etc.
You don't mention what OS or development environment you're using, but in VS 2005/.NET 2.0, there is actually a SerialPort class. If you're doing raw Windows API, MSDN has an article at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms810467.aspx which covers the basics. If you're using another OS, sorry I'm not that familiar (I know, boo hiss on me).
The most important thing is just remember to set your communication parameters on both sides of the connection the same. There are four parameters that govern if both sides can understand each other : baud rate, bits-per-byte (usually 8), parity bits (even parity, odd parity, none, or always 1 or 0), and stop bits. HyperTerminal also lists a "Flow Control" option, I recommend setting it to "None" until you get comfortable. Xon/Xoff flow control is a fairly common way of making the other side pause while you process a bufferfull of data.
Buy a microcontroller and build a simple robot, cnc mill or something. Atmel AVR and/or PIC is the most common from what i understand.
Also gives a lot of electronics experience