sorry if now I can't provide all the details, but I'm trying to use NServiceBus on Azure Service Bus using the Basic configuration. NServiceBus fails on start because it tries to create a Topic and a Queue, and Basic mode of Azure Service Bus doesn't suport Topics. Any help or workaround? Thanks!
I think you're talking about Basic Tier (pay).
Not with the current version of the ASB transport. Current version of transport only has one topology QueueAndTopicByEndpointTopology which is creating topics by default. You have two options: switch to Paid Tier or implement an alternative topology and use that (not a trivial task). Next version of transport will support more topologies and allow better mechanism to plug custom implementations.
But have you considered the following: without Topics you cannot have pub/sub. This would be a severe limitation when using bus architecture.
As Sean outlined, basic tier is currently not possible out of the box. But I'm curious to know why prefer Basic tier over Storage Queues?
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I would like to know how, if possible, a client app (winform) sends NServicebus command A to be processed by a MSMQ queue and command B to be processed by a Azure storage queue or Azure service bus? If not, how may I get around of it?
Since this question was asked, there is now a transport bridge which is specifically for this scenario: bridging messages between two different transports.
Will this help? https://docs.particular.net/samples/azure/azure-service-bus-msmq-bridge/
Common examples include:
A hybrid solution that spans across endpoints deployed on-premises and in a cloud environment.
Departments within organization integrating their systems that use different messaging technologies for historical reasons.
Traditionally, such integrations would require native messaging or relaying. Bridging is an alternative, allowing endpoints to communicate over different transports without a need to get into low-level messaging technology code. With time, when endpoints can standardize on a single transport, bridging can be removed with a minimal impact on the entire system.```
I am in a situation where I can use Service Fabric (locally) but cannot leverage Azure Service Bus (or anything "cloud"). What would be the corollary for queuing/pub-sub? Service Fabric is allowed since it is able to run in a local container, and is "free". Other 3rd party messaging infrastructure, like RabbitMQ, are also off the table (at the moment).
I've built systems using a locally grown bus, built on MSMQ and WCF, but I don't see how to accomplish the same thing in SF. I suspect I can have SF services use a custom ICommunicationListener that exposes msmq, but that would only be available inside the cluster (the way I understand it). I can build an HTTPBridge (in SF) in front of those to make them available outside the cluster, but then I'd lose the lifetime decoupling (client being able to call a service, using queues, even if that service isn't online at the time) since the bridge itself wouldn't benefit from any of the aspects of queuing.
I have a few possibilities but all suffer from some malady that only exists because of SF, locally. Also, the same code needs to easily deploy to full Azure SF (where I can use ASB and this issue disappears) so I don't want to build two separate systems just because of where I am hosting it in some instances.
Thanks for any tips.
You can build this yourself, for example like this. This uses a BrokerService that will distribute message-data to subscribed services and actors.
You can also run a containerized queuing platform like RabbitMQ with volumes.
By running the queue system inside the cluster you won't introduce an external dependency.
The problem is not SF, The main issue with your design is that you are coupling architectural requirements to implementations. SF runs on top of VirtualMachines, in the end, the only difference is that SF put the services in those machines, using another solution you would have an Agent Deploying these services in there or doing a Manual deployment. The challenges are the same.
It is clear from the description that the requirement in your design is a need for a message queue, the concept of queues are the same does not matter if it is Service Bus, RabbitMQ or MSMQ. Each of then will have the basic foundations of queues with specifics of each implementation, some might add transactions, some might implement multiple patterns, and so on.
If you design based on specific implementation, you will couple your solution to the implementation and make your solution hard to maintain and face challenges like you described.
Solutions like NServiceBus and Masstransit reduce a lot of these coupling from your code, and if you think these are not enough, you can create your own abstraction. Then you use configurations to tied your business logic to implementations.
Despite the above advice, I would not recommend you using different
solutions per environment, because as said previously, each solution
has it's own implementations and they might not assimilate to each other, as example, you might face issues in
production because you developed against MSMQ on DEV and TEST
environments, and when deployed to Production you use ServiceBus, they
have different limitations, like message size, retention period and son
on.
If you are willing to use MSMQ, you can add MSMQ to the VMs running your cluster and connect from your services without any issue. Take a look into this SO first: How can I use MSMQ in Azure Service Fabric
We are looking at using ActiveMQ as the message transport with NServiceBus, instead of MSMQ, to enable Java endpoints to directly integrate with .NET endpoints over ActiveMQ.
By default NServiceBus endpoints run in a distributed transaction involving MSMQ and SQL Server. Is there the same level of support for distributed transactions in NServiceBus when the message transport is ActiveMQ? Are there any other drawbacks to using ActiveMQ with NServiceBus as compared to MSMQ?
We've actually uncovered issues with the .net client of ActiveMQ - it doesn't support distributed transactions well enough. While we've tried to work with the committers over there, we still haven't been able to get this fully resolved.
At this point in time, if you want to use ActiveMQ on .net (with or without NServiceBus) you'll have to take care of deduplicating any messages flowing through your system.
We're working hard to build this kind of infrastructure-level deduplication logic into NServiceBus such that queues like RabbitMQ and Azure Service Bus that don't support distributed transactions give the same behavior as MSMQ.
From the book Learning NServiceBus by David Boike:
Like MSMQ, ActiveMQ supports the DTC which ensures that our message handlers remain fully transactional.
As far as drawbacks go:
ActiveMQ server does not support DTC transactions for deferred messages.
Other issues are reported on the NServiceBus.ActiveMQ GitHub site. I recommend perusing the list.
I have explored the web on MULE and got to understand that for Apps to communicate among themselves - even if they are deployed in the same Mule instance - they will have to use either TCP, HTTP or JMS transports.
VM isn't supported.
However I find this a bit contradictory to ESB principles. We should ideally be able to define EndPoints in and ESB and connect to that using any Transport? I may be wrong.
Also since all the apps are sharing the same JVM one would expect to be able to communicate via the in-memory VM queue rather than relying on a transactionless HTTP protocol, or TCP where number of connections one can make is dependent on server resources. Even for JMS we need to define and manage another queue and for heavy usage that may have impact on performances. Though I agree if we have distributed and clustered systems may be HTTP or JMS will be only options.
Is there any plan to incorporate VM as a inter-app communication protocol or is there any other way one Flow can communicate with another Flow Endpoint but in different app?
EDIT : - Answer from Mulesoft
http://forum.mulesoft.org/mulesoft/topics/concept_of_endpoint_and_inter_app_communication
Yes, we are thinking about inter-app communication for a future release.
Still is not clear when we are going to do it but we have a couple of ideas on how we want this feature to behave. We may create a server level configuration in which you can define resources to use in all your apps. There you would be able to define a VM connector and use it to send messages between apps in the same server.
As I said, this is just an idea.
Regarding the usage of VM as inter-app communication, only MuleSoft can answer if VM will have a future feature or not.
I don't think it's contradictory to the ESB principle. The "container" feature is pretty well defined in David A Chappell's "Enterprise Service Bus book" chapter 6. The container should try it's best to keep the applications isolated.
This will provide some benefits like "independently deployable integration services" (same chapter), easier clusterization, and other goodies.
You should approach same VM inter-app communications as if they where between apps placed in different servers.
Seems that Mule added in 3.5 version, a feature to enable communication between apps deployed in the same server. But sharing a VM connector is only available in the Enterprise edition.
Info:
http://www.mulesoft.org/documentation/display/current/Shared+Resources#SharedResources-DefiningDomains
Example:
http://blogs.mulesoft.org/optimize-resource-utilization-mule-shared-resources/
Would someone be able to shed some light on the differences between the newly release Windows ServiceBus (on premise, not Azure) and NServiceBus?
Looking for a detailed answer what the windows SB may be missing as I'm familiar what NSErviceBus can do:
Is it a real service bus and not just a message broker that uses queues?
Can it support message polymorphism? (Messages subclassing other
messages and handlers supporting this hierarchy
Long running processes and correlation
Scale out
I'm responsible for the Windows Azure ServiceBus support in NServicebus. And in my opinion this new Windows Server Servicebus provides the exact same capabilities as the Azure ServiceBus. So in my opinion it will be a good match with NServiceBus instead of a competitor (just as the Windows Azure ServiceBus is) and could be used instead of msmq.
To answer your questions
The new servicebus is a broker that uses queues
Messages on the servicebus are just strings in the end, the servicebus itself has no additional support for message types, hierarchies, handlers etc. Typically you would use WCF or NServiceBus for this.
There is no support for long running processes nor correlation. It does have some feature overlap with NServiceBus though as it can do subcriptions/topics, it can also do deferral of messages as well as filters.
It's designed to scale out.
Hope this helps?
Kind regards,
Yves