I have been given the following project to do:
create a program that runs on computer 1. The program will simulate mouse movements and pass that information through a usb cable from computer 1 to computer 2. Computer 2 must believe the information being passed to it is coming from a mouse-device.
Basically computer 2 has to believe that a mouse is connected to its usb-port, when actually it is another computer (computer 1), and computer 1 basically simulates mouse movements. Which movements the computer simulates doesn't really matter because that would probably be the easy bit, the harder bit is actually making the software that makes that possible.
QUESTION: Is there any program that currently does that? If so please tell me which one it is. If there isn't any program you know of, how would I go about making it myself?
PS: I would assume that this project is theoretically possible. I mean the computer 1 would just have to send signals to computer 2 that are similar to the normal signals sent to a computer by an ordinary mouse.
The ability to act as a USB host as well as a client (keyboard, mouse, etc.) is not typically part of the USB chipset in PCs. The ability to serve either role requires something unique like USB OTG; which you can find in some mobile phones.
So no, this is generally not possible with two random PCs and a USB cable. In any case, you can find a discussion on this here:
Emulate USB Device with USB Host
The thread mentions that you could make a proxying device with active electronics in it to sit between two host-only devices and be capable of translating to appear as a client to one. But with just a plain old USB cable you can't.
Since you're so specific about wanting it to be done with USB and no need to install special software you are probably not interested in something like Synergy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy_(software)
...but someone else finding this question might be.
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I work with an embedded device that has a USB host port. I would like to connect an iPhone to it and communicate via USB. I have done development on this and ported the functionality to connect to usbmux on the iPhone and have successful communication, however there is another problem.
All development was done with the iPhone connected to a powered USB hub that was connected to my device, as soon as I connected it directly, after enumeration it starts to drain the battery of my embedded device and causes a tension (voltage) drop that causes my device to turn off.
I know that after enumeration usb devices can draw up to 500 mA from the usb port, but I was wondering if there was a way to limit that to 100 mA (while still having the iPhone registered).
I found various questions regarding controlling voltage on the data pins or vcc from the usb port and I understand that's not possible, I'm looking for a software solution (although hardware solutions are welcome).
tl;dr: Is there a way to supply the iPhone with less than 500 mA after enumeration? Could I do this in software? Or do I need a hardware solution? I don't want to turn the port on/off, just limit the power draw of the iPhone.
NOTE: I am using Windows CE 6.0, if it is something that can only be done by modifying the drivers, or having direct access, there is no problem.
P.S. also, if there is a way to do this in *nix (or some other open source OS) that I could look at the source code and port it to Windows CE please let me know.
When a device shares its available configurations (see USB chapter 9), it specifies how much power it requires for each configuration. The host should look at all the available configurations and choose which one it wants.
In practice, however, these things don't work so smoothly.
The last time I looked at this, Windows always chose the first configuration. MacOS always chose the lowest power configuration (or highest, I can't remember). I never looked at WinCE or Linux.
If you're writing/modifying the driver, you can set your own rules for which configuration to choose, including looking for one that's 'self powered'. The iPhone, however, might only have one descriptor that always requests 500mA, bus powered. If so, then you're pretty much screwed since there's no way to let the iPhone know it's not OK to draw power.
That being said, I believe all the iPhone accessories are actually USB host (as opposed to USB device), and given that they don't always supply power, the iPhone must be capable of enumerating self powered.
I like the answer by Russ Schultz but I want to add another one:
No.
The descriptor of the peripheral device, iPhone in this case contains bMaxPower. If you enumerate this device, you also accept the power demand. It is not possible to only supply less, lets say 300 mA, if you already enumerated the device with the 500 mA desriptor. If this is what you wanted.
If the device provides multiple configurations, you are as mentioned by Russ free to write a driver which selects the configuration with less power. Hopefully, the device will then only consume the granted power.
Many peripheral devices just don't care. Most devices only provide one configuration with 500 mA. And there are a lot of devices which just consume more than they say ...
I am a very novice embedded developer and I am trying to develop a commercial product using Windows Embedded Compact and a Toradex Apalis T30 COM. Firstly just excuse me here, I am not a professional nor a trained engineer, merely a hobbyist trying to push the boundaries so forgive me if this is supposed to be trivial. I should also state that because of this I have no low level USB experience. I would like to use WEC 2013 but Toradex does not quite have it ready yet so for I guess at least another month I am stuck on WEC 7 if that makes any difference.
My problem is that I cannot seem to figure how one goes implementing USB Client functionality in WEC. As in, I want my device to be able to connect to my PC as a USB client with the PC being the host. Now by default it connects with the Active Sync (now Device Center or something) application and that allows serial communication of sorts if I am not mistaken but I really don't want to make my device dependent on ActiveSync as that will leave a very bad impression on customers as it doesn't look very professional and bears to much of an association with yesteryear's Windows Mobile.
My device is a 3D printer and I am assuming that there is no native USB class for 3D printers. All 3D printers I know of merely use a USB COM port to communicate and I guess that that should be fine for me two. Now what I want to know is how I can make my device appear as a plug and play USB COM port (able to support all the major desktop operating systems)? I know I can use an FTDI chip to do this with a UART port on my device but I am thinking that that is a bit of a waste given the fact that my COM has a built-in USB client port.
One would think that WEC would have built-in support for something like this but I cannot find any documentation regarding how to use it if it does indeed exist. The best I can find is http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee481935.aspx but the page does not really say anything useful.
PS. I cannot really afford to buy a USB vendor-id so I am hoping there is a solution to this that does not require one.
For windows embedded, you have to manually write a driver or a set of registry entries with the right Device Class ID, Vendor ID and Product ID. Once that is done, you need to integrate it in Windows Embedded and rebuild the solution.
I am a physicist, and I had a revelation a few weeks ago about how I might be able to use my personal computer to get much finer control over laboratory experiments than is typically the case. Before I ran off to try this out though, I wanted to check the feasibility with people who have more expertise than myself in such matters.
The idea is to use the i/o ports---VGA, ethernet, speaker jacks, etc.---on the computer to talk directly to the sensors and actuators in the experimental setup. E.g. cut open one side of an ethernet cable (with the other end attached to the computer) and send each line to a different device. I knew a postdoc who did something very similar using a BeagleBone. He wrote some assembly code that let him sync everything with the internal clock and used the GPIO pins to effectively give him a hybrid signal generator/scope that was completely programmable. It seems like the same thing should be possible with a laptop, and this would have the additional benefit that you can do data analysis from the same device.
The main potential difficulty that I foresee is that the hardware on a BeagleBone is designed with this sort of i/o in mind, whereas I expect the hardware on a laptop will probably be harder to control directly. I know for example (from some preliminary investigation, http://ask.metafilter.com/125812/Simple-USB-control-how-to-blink-an-LED-via-code) that USB ports will be difficult to access this way, and VGA is (according to VGA 15 pin port data read and write using Matlab) impossible. I haven't found anything about using other ports like ethernet or speaker jacks, though.
So the main question is: will this idea be feasible (without investing many months for each new variation of the hardware), and if so what type of i/o (ethernet, speaker jacks, etc.) is likely to be the best bet?
Auxiliary questions are:
Where can I find material to learn how I might go about executing this plan? I'm not even sure what keywords to plug in on Google.
Will the ease with which I can do this depend strongly on operating system or hardware brand?
The only cable I can think of for a pc that can get close to this would be a parallel printer cable which is pretty much gone away. It's a 25 wire cable that data is spread across so that it can send more data at the same time. I'm just not sure if you can target a specific line or if it's more of a left to right fill as data is sent.
To use one on a laptop today would definitely be difficult. You won't find any laptops with parallel ports. There are usb to parallel cables and serial to parallel cables but I would guess that the only control you would have it to the usb or serial interface and not the parallel.
As for Ethernet, you have 4 twisted pair with only 2 pair in use and 2 pair that are extra.
There's some hardware that available called Zwave that you might want to look into. Zwave will allow you to build a network of devices that communicate in a mesh. I'm not sure what kind of response time you need.
I actually just thought of something that might be a good solution. Check out security equipment. There's a lot of equipment available for pc's that monitor doors, windows, sensors, etc. That industry might what your looking for.
I think the easiest way would be to use the USB port as a Human Interface Device (HID) and using a custom built PIC program and a PIC that includes the USB functionality to encode the data to be sent to the computer and in that way be able to program it independently from the OS due to the fact that all mayor OS have the HID USB functionality.
Anyways if you used your MIC/VGA/HDMI whatever other port you still need a device to encode the data or transmit it, and another program inside the computer to decode that data being sent.
And remember that different hardware has different software (drivers) that might decode the raw data in other odd ways rendering your IO hardware dependent.
Hope this helps, but thats why the USB was invented in the first place to make it hardware and os independent.
Further to this question, I'm looking for a device that will allow me to connect two USB hosts, while still being fully programmable. I would like something that can do the following:
Masquerade as an arbitrary USB device
Take input from a PC and do nothing but pass it on to the other host.
I've been looking for a microcontroller (preferably pre-assembled) that will allow me to do this, but have so far come up blank. Does anyone know of a controller (preferably cheap) that will allow me to do this?
Take input from a PC and do nothing but pass it on to the other host.
This is non-sensical from a USB perspective. USB is a host-based protocol: a device will never send data unless a host requests it first. Keep in mind here, 'host' and 'device' have specific meanings here within the protocol itself; you can think of a 'host' as the master and the 'device' as the slave. These roles are baked into a USB controller. There is no way to convince a standard USB controller in any given PC or peripheral to swap roles. There are add-in cards for PCs that are USB device controllers (making your PC act as a device), but 'cheap' is not a word I would use to describe them.
What you really are trying to do is create something that is a USB device to device bridge. So, alright, you need to have two USB(2.0) device controllers (maybe not that expensive, some micros already have to on-the-go controllers). Then you have to get them to pass something meaningful to each other. That's really hard because, as I mentioned above, hosts must tell a device to send data, and can send data to a device whenever it wants. Assuming a game controller shows up as a HID device (assuming the console doesn't listen for some weird, custom descriptor, and use some weird, custom protocol), interrupt pipes will be used to transfer data. This pipe is guaranteed to be polled at some minimum rate. So you have the console requesting data at some rate, which is not fixed, and a host-as-gamepad sending data at some rate. It's going to impossible for the two to sync up, so you'll need some kind of decent sized buffer on the gadget you're trying to create, which adds more $$ and more complexity.
USB is also pretty fast. In high-speed (USB2.0), frames are 125 microseconds long. That means you have to be completing requests at around 8KHz, which seems slow compared to the clock speed of a microcontoller, but keep in mind you have to be doing everything else at once. I'm not sure if there's a hobbyist-level microcontroller that's going to have everything you need, especially one for which you don't need to roll your own USB stack.
Try this chip -> FTDI 232 they are protocols chips, it will translate the data to i2c, spi, serial, whatever u want. nice, easy and cheap :) . FTDI firm, have even better ones (vinculum), with otg and everything u need but I would start with the FTDI232. U just need to use your favorite uC to do the work u want. ... on the other hand, u have to do a little board, maybe some soldering, :). good luck!
You will need $$$$ in equipment and $$$$$ in development work to achieve things the way you imagine. You should better tell us what do you want to emulate, and take a look here if someone has already done it for you. If not then use LUFA library with some bigger USB AVR that can behave as USB host and connect two of them (one as USB guest and the other as USB host) via some other protocol (I2C/SPI/UART).
In the meantime there is a great solution for this Problem. Using the FaceDancer Library together with one of the boards supported by this great piece of software (i.E. GreatFET One) you get exactly what you want:
The GreatFET One has two USB connectors: the first one is used to simulate ANY kind of USB Device, while the second one is used to forward all requests/responses received/send via the first connector.
Of course this tool requires that you know the USB protocol of the device you want to simulate. Although there are some code samples you still have to know what you are doing as soon as you customize them.
I have a device that came with an AC power adapter where the connector is a mini USB plug. The device however doesn't seem to power itself from a computer's USB port (using a standard USB-mini USB cable) unless a specific driver is installed. The driver is only available for Windows. I would like to charge the device from USB plugs on different platforms.
My question is: why isn't power getting to the device without the driver? Is a driver always required for a USB port to start giving power? Or is it this device that's specifically made not to take a charge unless some software routine triggers it to do so?
I guess my question can be summarized as: Is power not present on the USB cable or is it present but the device ignoring it. If the answer is the former, I'll be trying to figure out how to write software that will enable the voltage to always be present.
Thanks
Why isn't power getting to the device without the driver?
USB ports are always powered when the computer is on and the USB control software hasn't detected current overdraw.
Is a driver always required for a USB port to start giving power?
No, the USB port is always required to start off providing power to the device, otherwise the device could never initiate a connection.
Or is it this device that's specifically made not to take a charge unless some software routine triggers it to do so?
This can be complex. To meet the USB spec a device cannot pull more than a few mA until it's registered with the computer.
However, nearly every computer allows the USB port to pull the full 500mA (and more) before it'll shut the power off.
The device you're charging is being nice by not pulling any significant power until the computer gives permission.
Writing software won't help, the device has to register with the USB bus, which will best be done with the driver.
However, the plug in charger doesn't do that. It likely has shorted the two data lines of the USB plug together, which signals the USB device that it's not connected to a computer and can pull the full 500mA without waiting.
Take a USB extension cable, cut off the jacket, and short the data lines (green and yellow, sometimes) together on the end going to the USB device, and leave them cut without touching anything on the end going to the PC, and leave the read and black power wires connected through.
It might work. If not, take the wall charger apart and find out what it's doing with each of the four USB wires, and see if you can duplicate that.
This might be helpful if you are targeting a linux system.
This seems to be platform-specific. In Linux, USB ports are always energized, while on Windows they don't. Thumbdrives with LEDs turn off when unmounted in windows, but in Linux they stay lit. My cellphone's manual says that it can't be charged by a PC, but I regularly do on my linux machine, I guess that's because they don't have a driver and windows won't power up without one.
Have you tried plugging it into a 'dumb' USB port - like the one on a car charger? Those ports are pure power and don't create a USB network. I think.
Unless you have the hardware specs from the manufacturer, I think you are out of luck. You could try reverse engineering the driver to see what it does, but I'd expect it would be cheaper and easier just to buy one with cross platform drivers or charges without the driver.