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I have a question regarding the usage of a DocumentDB or SQL-Database.
E.g. I have categories which can have multiple child categories and so on. Every category can have multiple attributes and every attribute can have one or many values. Would it be better to use a schemaless solution like a DocumentDB because I could add new sub categories etc. with no effort or is it better to stick with a schema and use a SQL-Database.
Many thanks in advance.
As #DavidMakogon said, there is not a standard & absolute right answer, it just up to you and up to application scenario. For this current needs to store a tree structure of categories with attributes, it's simple to design database schema & develop application for both without any addition condition like data volume and concurrency, etc, and both are good.
Consideration for others, there are two documents may help analyzing the features which you may need to use in your application or more suitable for your scenario, to make your choice.
MongoDB vs MySQL: Comparison Between RDBMS and Document Oriented Database, it's very similar for comparision between DocumentDB and SQL Database.
10 things never to do with a relational database, I think the advantage of RDBMS is as well known and be suitable for which scenario, but NoSQL's not.
Hope it helps.
In my project:
Data is not going to be modified (only query).
It is going to be more than 1.000.000 instances of data.
Query performance is critical.
In case of using SQL, it is going to be a single table with 7 columns. (no joints)
There are also different classification approaches used in NoSQL. Which are given below with some examples:
Column: Accumulo, Cassandra, HBase
Document: Clusterpoint, Couchdb, Couchbase, MarkLogic, MongoDB
Key-value: Dynamo, FoundationDB, MemcacheDB, Redis, Riak, FairCom c-treeACE
Graph: Allegro, Neo4J, OrientDB, Virtuoso, Stardog
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoSQL#cite_note-7
First of all, does the database system really makes an observable amount of performance difference for this case?
If it makes then,can you please explain which one is more suitable for my project SQL or NoSQL, if NoSQL then which classification approach?
Thank you in advance
I am currently enrolled in a project to set up a "standard" Database with a huge amount of data. We start by implementing in SQL to see the performance of the queries. Once this is done we address the problem of performance.
There is multiple reasons for this, but to name a few:
Standard SQL is easily implemented and standard across multiple instances (as of present day)
If you know SQL, make a fast implementation. To save time and get the project going.
There are loads of information available about SQL implementations.
I cannot answer about NoSQL but hopefully someone can fill me in.
The important question you need to ask is what kind of queries you will be performing. For example ClusterPoint offers real-time aggregation, so if you need result grouping and extracting summaries, it gives you great performance.
For a regular key/value they should all perform pretty well, so pick the one you are most comfortable with.
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I've been hearing things about NoSQL and that it may eventually become the replacement for SQL DB storage methods due to the fact that DB interaction is often a bottle neck for speed on the web.
So I just have a few questions:
What exactly is it?
How does it work?
Why would it be better than using a SQL Database? And how much better is it?
Is the technology too new to start implementing yet or is it worth taking a look into?
There is no such thing as NoSQL!
NoSQL is a buzzword.
For decades, when people were talking about databases, they meant relational databases. And when people were talking about relational databases, they meant those you control with Edgar F. Codd's Structured Query Language. Storing data in some other way? Madness! Anything else is just flatfiles.
But in the past few years, people started to question this dogma. People wondered if tables with rows and columns are really the only way to represent data. People started thinking and coding, and came up with many new concepts how data could be organized. And they started to create new database systems designed for these new ways of working with data.
The philosophies of all these databases were different. But one thing all these databases had in common, was that the Structured Query Language was no longer a good fit for using them. So each database replaced SQL with their own query languages. And so the term NoSQL was born, as a label for all database technologies which defy the classic relational database model.
So what do NoSQL databases have in common?
Actually, not much.
You often hear phrases like:
NoSQL is scalable!
NoSQL is for BigData!
NoSQL violates ACID!
NoSQL is a glorified key/value store!
Is that true? Well, some of these statements might be true for some databases commonly called NoSQL, but every single one is also false for at least one other. Actually, the only thing NoSQL databases have in common, is that they are databases which do not use SQL. That's it. The only thing that defines them is what sets them apart from each other.
So what sets NoSQL databases apart?
So we made clear that all those databases commonly referred to as NoSQL are too different to evaluate them together. Each of them needs to be evaluated separately to decide if they are a good fit to solve a specific problem. But where do we begin? Thankfully, NoSQL databases can be grouped into certain categories, which are suitable for different use-cases:
Document-oriented
Examples: MongoDB, CouchDB
Strengths: Heterogenous data, working object-oriented, agile development
Their advantage is that they do not require a consistent data structure. They are useful when your requirements and thus your database layout changes constantly, or when you are dealing with datasets which belong together but still look very differently. When you have a lot of tables with two columns called "key" and "value", then these might be worth looking into.
Graph databases
Examples: Neo4j, GiraffeDB.
Strengths: Data Mining
While most NoSQL databases abandon the concept of managing data relations, these databases embrace it even more than those so-called relational databases.
Their focus is at defining data by its relation to other data. When you have a lot of tables with primary keys which are the primary keys of two other tables (and maybe some data describing the relation between them), then these might be something for you.
Key-Value Stores
Examples: Redis, Cassandra, MemcacheDB
Strengths: Fast lookup of values by known keys
They are very simplistic, but that makes them fast and easy to use. When you have no need for stored procedures, constraints, triggers and all those advanced database features and you just want fast storage and retrieval of your data, then those are for you.
Unfortunately they assume that you know exactly what you are looking for. You need the profile of User157641? No problem, will only take microseconds. But what when you want the names of all users who are aged between 16 and 24, have "waffles" as their favorite food and logged in in the last 24 hours? Tough luck. When you don't have a definite and unique key for a specific result, you can't get it out of your K-V store that easily.
Is SQL obsolete?
Some NoSQL proponents claim that their favorite NoSQL database is the new way of doing things, and SQL is a thing of the past.
Are they right?
No, of course they aren't. While there are problems SQL isn't suitable for, it still got its strengths. Lots of data models are simply best represented as a collection of tables which reference each other. Especially because most database programmers were trained for decades to think of data in a relational way, and trying to press this mindset onto a new technology which wasn't made for it rarely ends well.
NoSQL databases aren't a replacement for SQL - they are an alternative.
Most software ecosystems around the different NoSQL databases aren't as mature yet. While there are advances, you still haven't got supplemental tools which are as mature and powerful as those available for popular SQL databases.
Also, there is much more know-how for SQL around. Generations of computer scientists have spent decades of their careers into research focusing on relational databases, and it shows: The literature written about SQL databases and relational data modelling, both practical and theoretical, could fill multiple libraries full of books. How to build a relational database for your data is a topic so well-researched it's hard to find a corner case where there isn't a generally accepted by-the-book best practice.
Most NoSQL databases, on the other hand, are still in their infancy. We are still figuring out the best way to use them.
What exactly is it?
On one hand, a specific system, but it has also become a generic word for a variety of new data storage backends that do not follow the relational DB model.
How does it work?
Each of the systems labelled with the generic name works differently, but the basic idea is to offer better scalability and performance by using DB models that don't support all the functionality of a generic RDBMS, but still enough functionality to be useful. In a way it's like MySQL, which at one time lacked support for transactions but, exactly because of that, managed to outperform other DB systems. If you could write your app in a way that didn't require transactions, it was great.
Why would it be better than using a SQL Database? And how much better is it?
It would be better when your site needs to scale so massively that the best RDBMS running on the best hardware you can afford and optimized as much as possible simply can't keep up with the load. How much better it is depends on the specific use case (lots of update activity combined with lots of joins is very hard on "traditional" RDBMSs) - could well be a factor of 1000 in extreme cases.
Is the technology too new to start implementing yet or is it worth taking a look into?
Depends mainly on what you're trying to achieve. It's certainly mature enough to use. But few applications really need to scale that massively. For most, a traditional RDBMS is sufficient. However, with internet usage becoming more ubiquitous all the time, it's quite likely that applications that do will become more common (though probably not dominant).
Since someone said that my previous post was off-topic, I'll try to compensate :-) NoSQL is not, and never was, intended to be a replacement for more mainstream SQL databases, but a couple of words are in order to get things in the right perspective.
At the very heart of the NoSQL philosophy lies the consideration that, possibly for commercial and portability reasons, SQL engines tend to disregard the tremendous power of the UNIX operating system and its derivatives.
With a filesystem-based database, you can take immediate advantage of the ever-increasing capabilities and power of the underlying operating system, which have been steadily increasing for many years now in accordance with Moore's law. With this approach, many operating-system commands become automatically also "database operators" (think of "ls" "sort", "find" and the other countless UNIX shell utilities).
With this in mind, and a bit of creativity, you can indeed devise a filesystem-based database that is able to overcome the limitations of many common SQL engines, at least for specific usage patterns, which is the whole point behind NoSQL's philosophy, the way I see it.
I run hundreds of web sites and they all use NoSQL to a greater or lesser extent. In fact, they do not host huge amounts of data, but even if some of them did I could probably think of a creative use of NoSQL and the filesystem to overcome any bottlenecks. Something that would likely be more difficult with traditional SQL "jails". I urge you to google for "unix", "manis" and "shaffer" to understand what I mean.
If I recall correctly, it refers to types of databases that don't necessarily follow the relational form. Document databases come to mind, databases without a specific structure, and which don't use SQL as a specific query language.
It's generally better suited to web applications that rely on performance of the database, and don't need more advanced features of Relation Database Engines. For example, a Key->Value store providing a simple query by id interface might be 10-100x faster than the corresponding SQL server implementation, with a lower developer maintenance cost.
One example is this paper for an OLTP Tuple Store, which sacrificed transactions for single threaded processing (no concurrency problem because no concurrency allowed), and kept all data in memory; achieving 10-100x better performance as compared to a similar RDBMS driven system. Basically, it's moving away from the 'One Size Fits All' view of SQL and database systems.
In practice, NoSQL is a database system which supports fast access to large binary objects (docs, jpgs etc) using a key based access strategy. This is a departure from the traditional SQL access which is only good enough for alphanumeric values. Not only the internal storage and access strategy but also the syntax and limitations on the display format restricts the traditional SQL. BLOB implementations of traditional relational databases too suffer from these restrictions.
Behind the scene it is an indirect admission of the failure of the SQL model to support any form of OLTP or support for new dataformats. "Support" means not just store but full access capabilities - programmatic and querywise using the standard model.
Relational enthusiasts were quick to modify the defnition of NoSQL from Not-SQL to Not-Only-SQL to keep SQL still in the picture! This is not good especially when we see that most Java programs today resort to ORM mapping of the underlying relational model. A new concept must have a clearcut definition. Else it will end up like SOA.
The basis of the NoSQL systems lies in the random key - value pair. But this is not new. Traditional database systems like IMS and IDMS did support hashed ramdom keys (without making use of any index) and they still do. In fact IDMS already has a keyword NONSQL where they support SQL access to their older network database which they termed as NONSQL.
It's like Jacuzzi: both a brand and a generic name. It's not just a specific technology, but rather a specific type of technology, in this case referring to large-scale (often sparse) "databases" like Google's BigTable or CouchDB.
NoSQL the actual program appears to be a relational database implemented in awk using flat files on the backend. Though they profess, "NoSQL essentially has no arbitrary limits, and can work where other products can't. For example there is no limit on data field size, the number of columns, or file size" , I don't think it is the large scale database of the future.
As Joel says, massively scalable databases like BigTable or HBase, are much more interesting. GQL is the query language associated with BigTable and App Engine. It's largely SQL tweaked to avoid features Google considers bottle-necks (like joins). However, I haven't heard this referred to as "NoSQL" before.
NoSQL is a database system which doesn't use string based SQL queries to fetch data.
Instead you build queries using an API they will provide, for example Amazon DynamoDB is a good example of a NoSQL database.
NoSQL databases are better for large applications where scalability is important.
Does NoSQL mean non-relational database?
Yes, NoSQL is different from RDBMS and OLAP. It uses looser consistency models than traditional relational databases.
Consistency models are used in distributed systems like distributed shared memory systems or distributed data store.
How it works internally?
NoSQL database systems are often highly optimized for retrieval and appending operations and often offer little functionality beyond record storage (e.g. key-value stores). The reduced run-time flexibility compared to full SQL systems is compensated by marked gains in scalability and performance for certain data models.
It can work on Structured and Unstructured Data. It uses Collections instead of Tables
How do you query such "database"?
Watch SQL vs NoSQL: Battle of the Backends; it explains it all.
I started a new application and now I am looking at two paths and don't know which is good way to continue.
I am building something like eCommerce site. I have a categories and subcategories.
The problem is that there are different type of products on site and each has different properties. And site must be filterable by those product properties.
This is my initial database design:
Products{ProductId, Name, ProductCategoryId}
ProductCategories{ProductCategoryId, Name, ParentId}
CategoryProperties{CategoryPropertyId, ProductCategoryId, Name}
ProductPropertyValues{ProductId, CategoryPropertyId, Value}
Now after some analysis I see that this design is actually EAV model and I read that people usually don't recommend this design.
It seems that dynamic sql queries are required for everything.
That's one way and I am looking at it right now.
Another way that I see is probably named a LOT WORK WAY but if it's better I want to go there.
To make table
Product{ProductId, CategoryId, Name, ManufacturerId}
and to make table inheritance in database wich means to make tables like
Cpus{ProductId ....}
HardDisks{ProductId ....}
MotherBoards{ProductId ....}
erc. for each product (1 to 1 relation).
I understand that this will be a very large database and very large application domain but is it better, easier and performance better than the option one with EAV design.
EAV is rarely a win. In your case I can see the appeal of EAV given that different categories will have different attributes and this will be hard to manage otherwise. However, suppose someone wants to search for "all hard drives with more than 3 platters, using a SATA interface, spinning at 10k rpm?" Your query in EAV will be painful. If you ever want to support a query like that, EAV is out.
There are other approaches however. You could consider an XML field with extended data or, if you are on PostgreSQL 9.2, a JSON field (XML is easier to search though). This would give you a significantly larger range of possible searches without the headaches of EAV. The tradeoff would be that schema enforcement would be harder.
This questions seems to discuss the issue in greater detail.
Apart from performance, extensibility and complexity discussed there, also take into account:
SQL databases such as SQL Server have full-text search features; so if you have a single field describing the product - full text search will index it and will be able to provide advanced semantic searches
take a look at no-sql systems that are all the rage right now; scalability should be quite good with them and they provide support for non-structured data such as the one you have. Hadoop and Casandra are good starting points.
You could very well work with the EAV model.
We do something similar with a Logistics application. It is built on .net though.
Apart from the tables, your application code has to handle the objects correctly.
See if you can add generic table for each object. It works for us.
Well, NoSQL is a buzzword right now so I've been looking into it. I'm yet to get my head around ColumnFamilies and SuperColumns, etc... But I have been looking at how the data is mapped.
After reading this article, and others, it seems the data is mapped in a JSON like format.
Users = {
1: {
username: "dave",
password: "blahblah",
dateReged: "1/1/1"
},
2: {
username: "etc",
password: "blahblah",
dateReged: "2/1/1",
comment: "this guy has a comment and dave doesns't"
},
}
The RDBMS format would be:
Table name: "Users"
id | username | password | dateReged | comment
---+----------+----------+-----------+--------
1 | dave | blahblah | 1/1/1 |
---+----------+----------+-----------+--------
2 | etc | blahblah | 2/1/1 | this guy has a comment and dave doesn't
Assuming I understand this correctly and my above examples are right, why would I choose the RDBMS design over the NoSQL design? Personally, I'd much rather work with the JSON structure... Does this mean I should choose NoSQL over, say, MySQL?
I guess what I'm asking is "when should I choose NoSQL over RDBMS?"
On a side note, as I've said, I'm still not fully understanding how to go about implementing a Cassandra database. Ie, how do I create the above Users table in a new database? Any tutorials, documentation, etc you could point to would be great. My google'ing hasn't turned up much in terms of 'starting from scratch'...
If you are google, then you might be in a position where a NoSQL would be easier on you than a RDBMS. Since you are not, the many advantages an RDBMS provides you will probably be of some use. Significantly, on a single node, NoSQL offers absolutely no advantages over RDBMSes. RDBMSes offer lots of advantages over NoSQL, though. what are they?
RDBMSes use some pretty deep magic to understand the data it owns, and the data you are asking for, in such a way that it can return that data in the most efficient manner possible. If you didn't ask about some column, the rdbms doesn't waste any effort retrieving it. If you are interested in rows that have fields in common across two tables, (this is a join, btw), the RDBMS doesn't have to check every single pair of rows for matches, or what a NoSQL db usually does is just give you everything and make you do the checking. with a RDBMS, you can usually construct queries that are actually 'about' the data you are using, like "if the date is a tuesday", and if your indexes support it (if you do that query alot then you would add such an index) you can get those rows efficiently.
There is another reason why RDBMSes are nice. Transactions are easy on RDBMSes, but are much harder to get right on NoSQL databases. Supposing you are implementing a blogging engine. Suppose the post title (which appears in the URL) needs to be unique across all posts. In an RDBMS, you can easily be sure that you won't get this wrong accidentally. With a NoSQL database, if it does support some kind of transactional integrity, it's usually at the shard level, anything that could possibly require that kind of integrity must be on the same shard. since any pair of users could possibly be posting at the same moment, then every users' post must be on the same shard to get the same effect. Well, then you don't get any benefit at all from NoSQL.
The main advantage of NoSQL is horizontal scalability and distributed storage. That means you can have a large number of 'cluster nodes' and write to them in parallel. The cluster will ensure changes are propagated to the other cluster nodes eventually (eventual consistency).
NoSQL is not so much about SQL (the term means "not only SQL"). In fact, some NoSQL products do support a subset of SQL. The reason the data format is different (JSON or list of property / value pairs versus tabular data) is: within relational databases, the number of columns (and column names) is defined in a central place, which doesn't work well with horizontal scalability (you would need to stop all cluster nodes for schema changes). Also, joins are not supported as much because that would break horizontal scalability (data from multiple cluster nodes may need to be read, if the data is distributed).
NoSQl databases are fine for some websites where you don't need transaction or consistency where all you are doing is presenting some data (but until you get really really large, they are not really very needed).
But if you need to enforce financial rules (or other complex data integrity rules) or internal controls or reporting and aggregating data for reporting, you need an RDBMS. I'll bet even Google uses RDBMS' for their own HR and financial data, etc.
For some web applications, you might even want a combination of both, the nosql database for some types of information, the transactional relational database for orders and other things where transactional consistency is a must.
If you develop web sites, I think you need to thoroughly understand both types of databases and the needs behind them before choosing how to handle any new functionality.
It seems to me that you have almost no knowledge of relational databases and would rather do what is easier for you personally than what is right for the project. Maybe I'm not reading that correctly, but anyone who never uses joins is suspect in terms of understanding relational databases.
You don't decide between these two based on which one seems easier to understand or which is the buzzword of the month, you decide them based on the functionality you will need, not just for the user interface but for administrative tasks, reporting, financial or other types of data auditing, government regulation, data recovery in case of a hardware failure, etc.
RDBMS' are all about consistency. They do a great job on data that gets churned alot with transactions. See also ACID (atomicity, consistency, isolation, durability). Sometimes you don't need all that, like when storing data from logs or working on data that's not going to change, just accumulate.
NoSQL databases let you relax the requirements for transactions and get better performance (as well as scale to large distributed storage silos easier).
The advantage fo NoSql is that its simpler and if you have your OO blinkers on it fullfills all your persistence needs.
The advantage of SQL based realtional database is that you can easily re-use and extend your data in ways that were not envisaged in the original design. Also "Object" databases tend to perform very badly (even if its possable) when you want to do the equivalent of SQLs aggregate queries like COUNT, SUM, AVG.
Googles BIGTABLE which is the biggest OO database anywhere (and probably the biggest database period) also supports SQL and sql features like indexing and strong typing.
Answer is easy. If you need data storage - use NoSQL, if you need more features then just storing data - use RDBMS.
I guess what I'm asking is "when should I choose NoSQL over RDBMS?"
[Caveat: I've never read about NoSQL before]
According to Wikipedia, NoSQL isn't good at joins: which implies (to me) no referential integrity and no normalization.
As many books about NoSQL mention, it's not about which database is better than the other. It's more what you need.
As everyone say in the other answers, many NoSQL databases support horizontal scalability and are focused on high availability but they are not always the best fit for your needs.
for example, Cassandra is great to add or remove nodes from a cluster, allowing that high scalability. But when you compare Cassandra with MySQL in an environment with just one node (one server), and with no distributed architecture, there isn't a lot of different, since the main advantages of Cassandra are not used.
Now, why should you use SQL? The most common reason is transaction management. Currently, no popular NoSQL database natively supports transactions. You can emulate them, but they are not part of the native functionality as in most SQL databases.
For Cassandra, there is a full and free training in https://academy.datastax.com
There you won't only find trainings to install and configure Cassandra, but to use its tools. It even gives you completion certificates.
Datastax has its own distribution of Cassandra, but it follows all the same guidelines as the Apache project; it offers some extra tools.
The simplest answer I can think of is: When your data doesn't fit a relational model.
I gave a talk at OSCON about when NoSQL can be the right choice, and some of the different sub-categories to be aware of: http://assets.en.oreilly.com/1/event/45/The%20NoSQL%20Ecosystem%20Presentation.pdf
Cassandra in and of itself is not better than an RDBMS. It is better under some circumstances. An RDBMS is vastly superior for transaction processing, master data management, reference data, data warehousing and (some forms of) BI.
Use NOSQL if your application requires a flexible schema, variable length rows, variable types of columns, eventual integrity, horizonal scalability on commodity servers, and high availability achieved by means of a distributed architecture.
NOSQL does not do joins for several reasons: you already joined the data before the NOSQL file was loaded so there is no need to; because a distributed join over far-reaching servers would be resource intensive. The first reason above is simple: you have embedded all the data you need into a single structure. If you do not embed the data and have to link, don't expect great performance out of it. Linking is a euphemism for application-provided joining without the benefit of consolidating the data as a join does. Assuming hashing a key is the method of data distribution, different records that have the same hash key would be collocated. Thereby if joining were permitted, the joined data would all be on the same server.
It's not just black and white.