I've read up on this on MSDN forums and here and I'm still not clear. I think this is correct: Varchar(max) will be stored as a text datatype, so that has drawbacks. So lets say your field will reliably be under 8000 characters. Like a BusinessName field in my database table. In reality, a business name will probably always be under (pulling a number outta my hat) 500 characters. It seems like plenty of varchar fields that I run across fall well under the 8k character count.
So should I make that field a varchar(500) instead of varchar(8000)? From what I understand of SQL there's no difference between those two. So, to make life easy, I'd want to define all my varchar fields as varchar(8000). Does that have any drawbacks?
Related: Size of varchar columns (I didn't feel like this one answered my question).
One example where this can make a difference is that it can prevent a performance optimization that avoids adding row versioning information to tables with after triggers.
This is covered by Paul White here
The actual size of the data stored is immaterial – it is the potential
size that matters.
Similarly if using memory optimised tables since 2016 it has been possible to use LOB columns or combinations of column widths that could potentially exceed the inrow limit but with a penalty.
(Max) columns are always stored off-row. For other columns, if the data row size in the table definition can exceed 8,060 bytes, SQL Server pushes largest variable-length column(s) off-row. Again, it does not depend on amount of the data you store there.
This can have a large negative effect on memory consumption and performance
Another case where over declaring column widths can make a big difference is if the table will ever be processed using SSIS. The memory allocated for variable length (non BLOB) columns is fixed for each row in an execution tree and is per the columns' declared maximum length which can lead to inefficient usage of memory buffers (example). Whilst the SSIS package developer can declare a smaller column size than the source this analysis is best done up front and enforced there.
Back in the SQL Server engine itself a similar case is that when calculating the memory grant to allocate for SORT operations SQL Server assumes that varchar(x) columns will on average consume x/2 bytes.
If most of your varchar columns are fuller than that this can lead to the sort operations spilling to tempdb.
In your case if your varchar columns are declared as 8000 bytes but actually have contents much less than that your query will be allocated memory that it doesn't require which is obviously inefficient and can lead to waits for memory grants.
This is covered in Part 2 of SQL Workshops Webcast 1 downloadable from here or see below.
use tempdb;
CREATE TABLE T(
id INT IDENTITY(1,1) PRIMARY KEY,
number int,
name8000 VARCHAR(8000),
name500 VARCHAR(500))
INSERT INTO T
(number,name8000,name500)
SELECT number, name, name /*<--Same contents in both cols*/
FROM master..spt_values
SELECT id,name500
FROM T
ORDER BY number
SELECT id,name8000
FROM T
ORDER BY number
From a processing standpoint, it will not make a difference to use varchar(8000) vs varchar(500). It's more of a "good practice" kind of thing to define a maximum length that a field should hold and make your varchar that length. It's something that can be used to assist with data validation. For instance, making a state abbreviation be 2 characters or a postal/zip code as 5 or 9 characters. This used to be a more important distinction for when your data interacted with other systems or user interfaces where field length was critical (e.g. a mainframe flat file dataset), but nowadays I think it's more habit than anything else.
There are some disadvantages to large columns that are a bit less obvious and might catch you a little later:
All columns you use in an INDEX - must not exceed 900 bytes
All the columns in an ORDER BY clause may not exceed 8060 bytes. This is a bit difficult to grasp since this only applies to some columns. See SQL 2008 R2 Row size limit exceeded for details)
If the total row size exceeds 8060 bytes, you get a "page spill" for that row. This might affect performance (A page is an allocation unit in SQLServer and is fixed at 8000 bytes+some overhead. Exceeding this will not be severe, but it's noticable and you should try to avoid it if you easily can)
Many other internal datastructures, buffers and last-not-least your own varaibles and table-variables all need to mirror these sizes. With excessive sizes, excessive memory allocation can affect performance
As a general rule, try to be conservative with the column width. If it becomes a problem, you can easily expand it to fit the needs. If you notice memory issues later, shrinking a wide column later may become impossible without losing data and you won't know where to begin.
In your example of the business names, think about where you get to display them. Is there really space for 500 characters?? If not, there is little point in storing them as such. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_the_United_States lists some company names and the max is about 50 characters. So I'd use 100 for the column max. Maybe more like 80.
Apart from best practices (BBlake's answer)
You get warnings about maximum row size (8060) bytes and index width (900 bytes) with DDL
DML will die if you exceed these limits
ANSI PADDING ON is the default so you could end up storing a wholeload of whitespace
Ideally you'd want to go smaller than that, down to a reasonably sized length (500 isn't reasonably sized) and make sure the client validation catches when the data is going to be too large and send a useful error.
While the varchar isn't actually going to reserve space in the database for the unused space, I recall versions of SQL Server having a snit about database rows being wider than some number of bytes (do not recall the exact count) and actually throwing out whatever data didn't fit. A certain number of those bytes were reserved for things internal to SQL Server.
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I've read up on this on MSDN forums and here and I'm still not clear. I think this is correct: Varchar(max) will be stored as a text datatype, so that has drawbacks. So lets say your field will reliably be under 8000 characters. Like a BusinessName field in my database table. In reality, a business name will probably always be under (pulling a number outta my hat) 500 characters. It seems like plenty of varchar fields that I run across fall well under the 8k character count.
So should I make that field a varchar(500) instead of varchar(8000)? From what I understand of SQL there's no difference between those two. So, to make life easy, I'd want to define all my varchar fields as varchar(8000). Does that have any drawbacks?
Related: Size of varchar columns (I didn't feel like this one answered my question).
One example where this can make a difference is that it can prevent a performance optimization that avoids adding row versioning information to tables with after triggers.
This is covered by Paul White here
The actual size of the data stored is immaterial – it is the potential
size that matters.
Similarly if using memory optimised tables since 2016 it has been possible to use LOB columns or combinations of column widths that could potentially exceed the inrow limit but with a penalty.
(Max) columns are always stored off-row. For other columns, if the data row size in the table definition can exceed 8,060 bytes, SQL Server pushes largest variable-length column(s) off-row. Again, it does not depend on amount of the data you store there.
This can have a large negative effect on memory consumption and performance
Another case where over declaring column widths can make a big difference is if the table will ever be processed using SSIS. The memory allocated for variable length (non BLOB) columns is fixed for each row in an execution tree and is per the columns' declared maximum length which can lead to inefficient usage of memory buffers (example). Whilst the SSIS package developer can declare a smaller column size than the source this analysis is best done up front and enforced there.
Back in the SQL Server engine itself a similar case is that when calculating the memory grant to allocate for SORT operations SQL Server assumes that varchar(x) columns will on average consume x/2 bytes.
If most of your varchar columns are fuller than that this can lead to the sort operations spilling to tempdb.
In your case if your varchar columns are declared as 8000 bytes but actually have contents much less than that your query will be allocated memory that it doesn't require which is obviously inefficient and can lead to waits for memory grants.
This is covered in Part 2 of SQL Workshops Webcast 1 downloadable from here or see below.
use tempdb;
CREATE TABLE T(
id INT IDENTITY(1,1) PRIMARY KEY,
number int,
name8000 VARCHAR(8000),
name500 VARCHAR(500))
INSERT INTO T
(number,name8000,name500)
SELECT number, name, name /*<--Same contents in both cols*/
FROM master..spt_values
SELECT id,name500
FROM T
ORDER BY number
SELECT id,name8000
FROM T
ORDER BY number
From a processing standpoint, it will not make a difference to use varchar(8000) vs varchar(500). It's more of a "good practice" kind of thing to define a maximum length that a field should hold and make your varchar that length. It's something that can be used to assist with data validation. For instance, making a state abbreviation be 2 characters or a postal/zip code as 5 or 9 characters. This used to be a more important distinction for when your data interacted with other systems or user interfaces where field length was critical (e.g. a mainframe flat file dataset), but nowadays I think it's more habit than anything else.
There are some disadvantages to large columns that are a bit less obvious and might catch you a little later:
All columns you use in an INDEX - must not exceed 900 bytes
All the columns in an ORDER BY clause may not exceed 8060 bytes. This is a bit difficult to grasp since this only applies to some columns. See SQL 2008 R2 Row size limit exceeded for details)
If the total row size exceeds 8060 bytes, you get a "page spill" for that row. This might affect performance (A page is an allocation unit in SQLServer and is fixed at 8000 bytes+some overhead. Exceeding this will not be severe, but it's noticable and you should try to avoid it if you easily can)
Many other internal datastructures, buffers and last-not-least your own varaibles and table-variables all need to mirror these sizes. With excessive sizes, excessive memory allocation can affect performance
As a general rule, try to be conservative with the column width. If it becomes a problem, you can easily expand it to fit the needs. If you notice memory issues later, shrinking a wide column later may become impossible without losing data and you won't know where to begin.
In your example of the business names, think about where you get to display them. Is there really space for 500 characters?? If not, there is little point in storing them as such. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_the_United_States lists some company names and the max is about 50 characters. So I'd use 100 for the column max. Maybe more like 80.
Apart from best practices (BBlake's answer)
You get warnings about maximum row size (8060) bytes and index width (900 bytes) with DDL
DML will die if you exceed these limits
ANSI PADDING ON is the default so you could end up storing a wholeload of whitespace
Ideally you'd want to go smaller than that, down to a reasonably sized length (500 isn't reasonably sized) and make sure the client validation catches when the data is going to be too large and send a useful error.
While the varchar isn't actually going to reserve space in the database for the unused space, I recall versions of SQL Server having a snit about database rows being wider than some number of bytes (do not recall the exact count) and actually throwing out whatever data didn't fit. A certain number of those bytes were reserved for things internal to SQL Server.
Should I choose the smallest datatype possible, or if I am storing the value 1 for example, it doesn't matter what is the col datatype and the value will occupy the same memory size?
The question is also, cuz I will always have to convert it and play around in the application.
UPDATE
I think that varchar(1) and varchar(50) is the same memory size if value is "a", I thought it's the same with int and tinyint, according to the answers I understand it's not, is it?
Always choose the smallest data type possible. SQL can't guess what you want the maximum value to be, but it can optimize storage and performance once you tell it the data type.
To answer your update:
varchar does take up only as much space as you use and so you're right when you say that the character "a" will take up 1 byte (in latin encoding) no matter how large a varchar field you choose. That is not the case with any other type of field in SQL.
However, you will likely be sacrificing efficiency for space if you make everything a varchar field. If everything is a fixed-size field then SQL can do a simple constant-time multiplication to find your value (like an array). If you have varchar fields in there, then the only way to find out where you data is stored it to go through all the previous fields (like a linked list).
If you're beginning SQL then I advise just to stay away from varchar fields unless you expect to have fields that sometimes have very small amounts of text and sometimes very large amounts of text (like blog posts). It takes experience to know when to use variable length fields to the best effect and even I don't know most of the time.
It's a performance consideration particular to the design of your system. In general, the more data you can fit into a page of Sql Server data, the better the performance.
One page in Sql Server is 8k. Using tiny ints instead of ints will enable you to put more data into a single page but you have to consider whether or not it's worth it. If you're going to be serving up thousands of hits a minute, then yes. If this is a hobby project or something that just a few dozen users will ever see, then it doesn't matter.
The advantage is there but might not be significant unless you have lots of rows and performs los of operation. There'll be performance improvement and smaller storage.
Traditionally every bit saved on the page size would mean a little bit of speed improvement: narrower rows means more rows per page, which means less memory consumed and fewer IO requests, resulting in better speed. However, with SQL Server 2008 Page compression things start to get fuzzy. The compression algorithm may compress 4 byte ints with values under 255 on even less than a byte.
Row compression algorithms will store a 4 byte int on a single byte for values under 127 (int is signed), 2 bytes for values under 32768 and so on and so forth.
However, given that the nice compression features are only available on Enterprise Edition servers, it makes sense to keep the habit of using the smallest possible data type.
Instead of using NVarchChar (max) for my field I am limiting the lengths arbitrarily. WHen does limiting these fields really make a significant difference in terms of performance? Every 100? 200? 1000 characters?
Your question implies that you are using SQL Server 2005/2008, so I'll take a crack at it. With the current architecture, the importance is in the storage itself. When you store more than 8k in a row, it will either go into a separate internal table partition for row overflow or for text (or large object data).
Depending on your settings, SQL will make a pointer to this other partition of nvarchar data. Upon retrieval of the data, SQL has to get the page, then do a look-up to another page to get the entire contents of the row.
IF the definition of the table leaves out the possibility of hitting that 8060 byte maximum, then you can guarantee that you don't have to do spurious lookups from pointers (which increases reads).
Also, keep in mind that SQL 2008 (Enterprise edition) can use page and row level compression, so the rules change a little when using that feature.
SQL uses blocks of 4K ie 4000 chars (2000 if using NVARCHAR as each chr is doubled). You may see significant performance issues if you set it to TEXT or varchar(max) /nvachar(max) if the data is more than 4000/2000 respecively, as the database then has to start paging the results internally.
How are varchar columns handled internally by a database engine?
For a column defined as char(100), the DBMS allocates 100 contiguous bytes on the disk. However, for a column defined as varchar(100), that presumably isn't the case, since the whole point of varchar is to not allocate any more space than required to store the actual data value stored in the column. So, when a user updates a database row containing an empty varchar(100) column to a value consisting of 80 characters for instance, where does the space for that 80 characters get allocated from?
It seems that varchar columns must result in a fair amount of fragmentation of the actual database rows, at least in scenarios where column values are initially inserted as blank or NULL, and then updated later with actual values. Does this fragmentation result in degraded performance on database queries, as opposed to using char type values, where the space for the columns stored in the rows is allocated contiguously? Obviously using varchar results in less disk space than using char, but is there a performance hit when optimizing for query performance, especially for columns whose values are frequently updated after the initial insert?
You make a lot of assumptions in your question that aren't necessarily true.
The type of the a column in any DBMS tells you nothing at all about the nature of the storage of that data unless the documentation clearly tells you how the data is stored. IF that's not stated, you don't know how it is stored and the DBMS is free to change the storage mechanism from release to release.
In fact some databases store CHAR fields internally as VARCHAR, while others make a decision about how to the store the column based on the declared size of the column. Some database store VARCHAR with the other columns, some with BLOB data, and some implement other storage, Some databases always rewrite the entire row when a column is updated, others don't. Some pad VARCHARs to allow for limited future updating without relocating the storage.
The DBMS is responsible for figuring out how to store the data and return it to you in a speedy and consistent fashion. It always amazes me how many people to try out think the database, generally in advance of detecting any performance problem.
The data structures used inside a database engine is far more complex than you are giving it credit for! Yes, there are issues of fragmentation and issues where updating a varchar with a large value can cause a performance hit, however its difficult to explain /understand what the implications of those issues are without a fuller understanding of the datastructures involved.
For MS Sql server you might want to start with understanding pages - the fundamental unit of storage (see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms190969.aspx)
In terms of the performance implications of fixes vs variable storage types on performance there are a number of points to consider:
Using variable length columns can improve performance as it allows more rows to fit on a single page, meaning fewer reads
Using variable length columns requires special offset values, and the maintenance of these values requires a slight overhead, however this extra overhead is generally neglible.
Another potential cost is the cost of increasing the size of a column when the page containing that row is nearly full
As you can see, the situation is rather complex - generally speaking however you can trust the database engine to be pretty good at dealing with variable data types and they should be the data type of choice when there may be a significant variance of the length of data held in a column.
At this point I'm also going to recommend the excellent book "Microsoft Sql Server 2008 Internals" for some more insight into how complex things like this really get!
The answer will depend on the specific DBMS. For Oracle, it is certainly possible to end up with fragmentation in the form of "chained rows", and that incurs a performance penalty. However, you can mitigate against that by pre-allocating some empty space in the table blocks to allow for some expansion due to updates. However, CHAR columns will typically make the table much bigger, which has its own impact on performance. CHAR also has other issues such as blank-padded comparisons which mean that, in Oracle, use of the CHAR datatype is almost never a good idea.
Your question is too general because different database engines will have different behavior. If you really need to know this, I suggest that you set up a benchmark to write a large number of records and time it. You would want enough records to take at least an hour to write.
As you suggested, it would be interesting to see what happens if you write insert all the records with an empty string ("") and then update them to have 100 characters that are reasonably random, not just 100 Xs.
If you try this with SQLITE and see no significant difference, then I think it unlikely that the larger database servers, with all the analysis and tuning that goes on, would be worse than SQLITE.
This is going to be completely database specific.
I do know that in Oracle, the database will reserve a certain percentage of each block for future updates (The PCTFREE parameter). For example, if PCTFREE is set to 25%, then a block will only be used for new data until it is 75% full. By doing that, room is left for rows to grow. If the row grows such that the 25% reserved space is completely used up, then you do end up with chained rows and a performance penalty. If you find that a table has a large number of chained rows, you can tune the PCTFREE for that table. If you have a table which will never have any updates at all, a PCTFREE of zero would make sense
In SQL Server varchar (except varchar(MAX)) is generally stored together with the rest of the row's data (on the same page if the row's data is < 8KB and on the same extent if it is < 64KB. Only the large data types such as TEXT, NTEXT, IMAGE, VARHCAR(MAX), NVARHCAR(MAX), XML and VARBINARY(MAX) are stored seperately.
We're doing a lot of large, but straightforward forms for a fairly big project (about 600 users using it throughout the day - that's big for me at least ;-) ).
The forms have a lot of question/answer type sections, so it's natural for some people to type a sentence, while others type a novel. How beneficial would it be to put a character limit on some of these fields really?
(Please include references or citations, if necessary/possible - Thanks!)
If you have no limitations on the data size, then why worry. This doesn't sound like a mission critical project, even with 600 users and several thousand records. Use CLOB/BLOB and be done with it. I have doubts as to whether you would see any major gains in limiting sizes and risking data loss. That said, you should layout such boundaries before implementation.
Usually varchar is best for storing values that you wish to use logically and perform "whole value" comparisons against. Text is for unstructured data. If your project is a survey result with unstructured text, use CLOB/BLOB
Semi-Reference: I work with hundreds of thousands of call center records sometimes where we use a CLOB to store the dialog between employees and customers.
I say, focus on the needs of the users and only worry about database performance issues when/if those issues arise. Ask yourself "will my users benefit if I limit the amount of data they can enter".
I keep a great gapingvoid cartoon on my wall that says "it's not what the software does. it's what the user does".
You don't mention which sql server you are using
If you are using MySql there are definite advantages in speed to using fixed length fields to keep the table in static mode, however if you have any variable width fields the table will switch to dynamic and you lose the benefit of specifying the length of the field.
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/static-format.html
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/dynamic-format.html
Microsoft SQL Server has similar performance gains when you use fixed length columns. With fixed length columns the server knows exactly what the offset and length of the data in the row is. With variable length columns the server knows the offset but has to store the actual length of the data as a preceding 2byte counter. This has a couple of implications that are discussed in this interesting article that discusses performance as a function of disk space and the advantages of variable length columns.
If you are using SQL Server 2005 or newer you can take advantage of varchar(max). This column type has the same 2GB storage capacity of BLOBs but the data is stored in 8K chunks with the table data pages instead of in a separate store. So you get the large size advantage, only use 8K in your pages at a time, quick access for the DB engine, and the same query semantics that work with other column types work with varchar(max).
In the end specifying a max length on a variable column mainly lets you constrain the growth size of your database. Once you use variable length columns you lose the advantage of fixed size rows and varchar(max) will perform the same as varchar(10) when holding the same amount of data.
blob and text / ntext are stored outside of the row context, and only a reference stored to the object, resulting in a smaller row size, which will improve performance on clustered indexes.
However because text / ntext are not stored with the row data retrival takes longer, and these fields cannot be used in any comparison statements.
from: http://www.making-the-web.com/2008/03/24/saving-bytes-efficient-data-storage-mysql-part-1/
There are a few variations of the TEXT and BLOB types which affect size; they are:
Type - Maximum Length -Storage
TINYBLOB, TINYTEXT 255 Length+1 bytes
BLOB, TEXT 65535 Length+2 bytes
MEDIUMBLOB, MEDIUMTEXT 16777215 Length+3 bytes
LONGBLOB, LONGTEXT 4294967295 Length+4 bytes