My requirement is the claims assigned to a user are company aware so say for example
User 1: is publisher for Product Manager for Company 1 but the same user is only editor for Company B. Can this be achieved through Geneva Server, or additional code needs to be written to override classes.
In my opinion it's the relying party itself should be making decisions on what roles to attach to a token based upon the identity itself.
However you can set rules based on individual relying parties and choose to serve information as a claim based on whatever the backing store says. Now how you represent that information in whatever backing store you are using (AD, LDAP, SQL, whatever) is a design decision at your end. You may also want to look at harnessing the claims transformation language in beta 2.
It's really hard to give any specific advice without knowing details about where your claim backing store is going to be and why you think you need to go this route.
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I am fairly new to coding in the .Net environment. I am having trouble finding "real-world" examples on authentication/authorization using Identity. Most examples I come across are primarily textbook examples that use the ASP .Net registration template.
I am trying to find guidance on where to look (yes, I Googled and I get very unrealistic/unusable use cases or "classroom" examples) or how to do this.
I work for a small school and I am trying to build an application (possibly Blazor - just experimenting with various technologies now) that allows both students and employees to login into a portal and view their relevant data. I have an Employee table and a Student table based on POCO classes. When I add identity to the project it creates Users and Roles tables as well.
I would like to have the "Users" table based on the Student and Employee tables - not have a separate users table. I do not want to have a "registration" option either. I would like the option for an Admin (which would fall under an "Employee") to be able to add users, but not use a registration page.
How would I implement Identity and Roles without using all the extras added? I am using .Net 5.0.
Thank you for your time and pelase forgive the English - it's new to me as well.
I understand what you're trying to do. It IS possible to Create a Custom AuthenticationStateProvider
But unless you have a VERY robust database already, I wouldn't do it. Getting the default system set up and migrating users will take at most an hour. Setting up your own custom authorization system is likely to take you MUCH MUCH longer.
Having different users in different tables is not a good design plan. They all have names, phone numbers, e-mails and so on-- put them on one table.
Hi Derrick and welcome to the community! #Bennyboy1973 is correct, in that both your Students and Employees are all "Users", so they should all be stored in the same table. To add to that response a bit, probably the simplest way for you to manage them is by using Roles, so the Students could be in one role and the Employees could be in another. By having a role attached to each, you can then use the roles as a filter in your queries and you could also restrict the access and actions each type will have based on the role they are in.
Regarding having administrators add the users to the database without public access, this can be done as well. Once you get the default identity system up and running, you can scaffold out the whole system so it can be modified, and probably the easiest way to achieve what you are after is to then modify the default registration (signup) page so that it requires the user to be authenticated to reach it, and then implement a confirmation email to activate each new account.
There are a few things with this approach that you need to be aware of as well.
Since the admin will be setting up all the other user accounts, you should modify the email confirmation chain to require a password reset at some point. The administrators can have access to the user's information as needed but shouldn't have the user's passwords.
Identity Server will store passwords in an encrypted format, and you'll need an initial user in your database. What this means is that you will have to "seed" an initial admin user into the database that you can use to sign in and get started with everything else. You'll have to research how to do this, as it isn't as simple as just accessing the database directly and adding the user and roles because of the encryption. The program you build should be designed to do this for you on either the first run or if you are connecting to a new database, using a username and password that you know. It will then store the user properly that you can use to sign in as Admin, then change the admin password. This makes the whole thing more secure.
This all sounds like a headache, but it's worth it to work through and know how it all fits together. The, as mentioned in other answers, you can migrate existing data into the database.
I'm trying to design MVC4.5 website on Azure with latest EF but stuck in setting up membership and role base authentication.
I'm somewhat lost in MembershipProvider, SimpleMembershipProvider and ExtendedMembershipProvider.
I found that unlike SqlMembershipProvider the SimplememberShipProvider is not designed to store multiple applications (through ApplicationName and ApplicationID) in a single database and map users accordingly so that business can run multiple applications with only one database.
I hear all praises of SimpleMembershipProvider, my question is how should the database/providers be designed so that I'm able to store user's in association with respective applications in a single database. User registration info must be completely independent from same user name in other application. I also need new features of Open Authentication.
Broadly, my queries are:
Is it possible to use SimpleMmebershipProvider to differentiate between multiple applications in a single database.
I'm thinking to modify existing schema structure made by SimpleMembershipProvider to include ApplicationId column , but then how would even a custom provider that is inherited from Extended membership provider add ApplicationId against any user.
Is there any other provider available or any article that would guide in implementing custom membership provider with custom database design along with features of open authentication.
Or am I going with completely wrong approach?
Answering to the queries of BernardG
Do you want a "head" url/site, then redirect users to the proper
application, or
No, sites should not appear related nor will be redirect to other.
Do you want a user to enter into any application and
then be redirected to another one he is registered in.
Again no, each application should have it's own registration process. Further two applications can have same username but these accounts would not be related.
Can a user register into any application?
Yes.
If not, how do you limit that?
Not limiting.
What do you mean by this?"User registration info must be completely
independent from same user name in other application."
Refering to answer to point 2, if there are 4 applications with one database and a user registers for one application, he must need to register again to have access to other application. Hence for any user the sites must not appear related.
Do you want to duplicate users info into each applications?
As per my understanding of the question a combination of username and email address (considering this combination makes any user account unique) can again be stored against another application even with different profile information.
Actually I'm used to the classic membership approach used in ASP.net 2.0 and I'm missing the application Id column for separation.
If I may, I believe your question has a lot more to do with design and establishing clearly the features you want, rather than a specific membership provider, knowing that you can do about anything you want with SimpleMembership.
My questions, and I believe those are the questions you have to ask yourself before going further, are:
Do you want a "head" url/site, then redirect users to the proper
application, or
Do you want a user to enter into any application and
then be redirected to another one he is registered in.
Can a user register into any application?
If not, how do you limit that?
What do you mean by this?"User registration info must be completely
independent from same user name in other application."
Do you want to duplicate users info into each applications?
It looks to me that this is all about database(s) design, and analysis, for your real needs. Once that's properly done, the part about membership tables will be easily solved.
OK, so it's a badly phrased question. But it's hard to explain in a single line.
I've tried to read the Shibboleth documentation and being a newbie got out of my depth fairly rapidly. I don't really want to spend days understanding it if an expert can take half a minute to say "no chance, that won't work".
I have many groups of users, lets say (for now) that groups are different companies.
What I'd like to do is only allow users to see some fields from other companies.
For example I'm Alice in Company A and I can see that Bob in Company B has an email address bob#b.com. He can see that I'm alice#a.com
However everyone else in Company B can see that Bob has a last name and a phone number etc.
And everyone else in Company A can see my details.
To make this more complicated, lets say that Bob and I become friends and decide we want to share our information then we create a "transient" group "alice&bob". Because we are both members of that group, we can both see each others full details. (But nobody else in A can see Bob's details unless they are also friends and vice versa)
I can sort all that out in application code by querying all attributes and relationships and only showing what's relevant but for extra security I'd like to limit the disclosure of information at source.
I think I need to use attribute filters but not sure if they are able to give me this level of control. With this flexibility of being able to form relationships, will I need to build filter files on the fly and then end up with thousands of filters that Shibboleth starts to choke on because the logic is so long.
Something like the "is requester in group" filter rule :
https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/SHIB2/IdPFilterRequirementAttributeRequesterInEntityGroup
The answer above is quite good, but i believe that non shibboleth users will find it confusing.
The quick answer is You really don't want to do it this way, it may be possible to do but for 100% there are better tools to do it.
Ok, full version now (sorry for being too obvious i some places).
In shibboleth architecture we can distinguish two main components.
Identity Provider IdP- which holds information about users from specific organizations.
Service Provider SP - which are generally some service or protected resource, for which we can define some access rules
In your example credentials for Alice and Bob could be stored in different IdP, because they are member of different organizations/companies, or (which isn't exactly matching the whole pattern) you can have one IdP for all users, and "company" is just one of user attributes. IdP doesn't provide you any kind of api that will give you opportunity to access users attributes for any user, apart from the one that is being authenticated.
On the other hand you have your SP, which hold some super secret resources, for which you can define policies. And in which you would like to define polices for user information.
And here lays the problem, on SP side you don't have access to whole users database, that's the way Shibboleth works. You can of course treat all users information as a resource in your SP, but why in the hell would you like to use Shibboleth if you have clear access to all users credentials on you application side?
If you store all users information on you service side I believe that any well designed relational database with some kind of authentication for your service will be better than shibboleth for this job.
Hope that helped.
This is not a job for Shibboleth or for most SAML/SSO providers, for that matter. The attribute filtering you speak of is used for filtering those attributes between the IdP and SP ... which is basically saying : let service provider or "application" B see the following attributes from IdP A.
Once you transmit the attributes to the SP on the other end, Shibboleth does not (and indeed cannot) provide you with a mechanism to prevent users of application B from seeing any data that you present to them ... in fact, they really shouldnt be able to see any data transmitted by the IdP unless you are exposing it in someway via your application.
The application is written in Ruby on Rails but the problem I am facing is more a design matter than language related.
the system provides service to a number of users to maintain a registry. So it relates persons to things. As such it has a model called Person representing owners and it has a model called User representing those who manage the registry.
Now a new requirement has arisen to allow People to log in and be able to change personal details which it was not required for the original design.
The question is how to refactor the application to allow this new requirement in?
One easy solution is to create Users for each person who request login credentials and link user to person entity but that is not very DRY as some fields such as firstname, surname etc. are in both classes and in particular, that is precisely the data people will be able to change. Besides User and Person are stored in separate tables.
The other possibility I was considering is to make one to extend the other but having data in separated tables it makes it a bit messy. Additionally the logical extension would be User <- Person as an user is (generally) a person but thinking on the implementation Person <- User is quite a lot easier.
One last option could be to scrap User and move login credentials into Person leaving logon fields empty for those who won't log in and half of the fields empty for those just login in.
Can you think of a better solution?
You could think about how this should ideally work if you were to write the application bottom-up, and then figure out how to make a reasonable compromise between that and your current setup. Here are some generic inputs.
As authentication is involved, you need an "Identity" that can be authenticated. This can be e.g. an email address and an associated password, with email verification.
An Identity can potentially be associated to multiple "Roles" and someone authenticated with the identity can choose which role to perform, e.g. "I am now an administrator" vs. "I am now a regular site user", and the role defines the user's current rights for the logged in identity. Or if you don't need that level of complexity, you can say that an Identity is a (single) Role.
You need some tracking between possible "Rights" and the Role the user is performing. E.g. the simplest setup could be the Identity or Role has some boolean can_edit_profile or can_modify_registry properties.
Whenever a user attempts to perform an action which requires certain Rights, it is simply a matter of looking up the corresponding rights set for the Role being performed by the user, to check whether the user is allowed to proceed.
For your application this may just involve adding a 'can_change_registry' property for your user objects, and check whether that property is True for any code accessing that part of the site.
I've been reading about Azure's Access Control Service and claims-based authorization in general for a while now, and for whatever reason, I still don't see the rationale behind moving from role/permission-based authorization to a claims-based model. The models seem similar to me (and they probably are), except that the list of what the client can and can't do comes from a third party and is wrapped up in some sort of token, instead of from some sort of database that the server has to query. What's the advantage of getting a third party (the token issuer) involved?
I fully understand the advantages of outsourcing authentication to a third party. It allows apps to not have to create new users all the time, worry about storing passwords, etc. when they can just push that off to some other service that already has the infrastructure set up. It's essentially the DRY principle for authentication.
However, in my mind, that same logic doesn't work for authorization. Each app has its own resources it has to protect, and therefore its own rules for authorizing users to perform certain actions. The infrastructure seems simple enough that each app could create it on its own (a table mapping users to roles, and possibly another mapping roles to permissions), and even if you wanted to outsource it, it seems that the claims-based model is doing something more complicated than that.
The only partial explanation I've seen comes from Building a Claims-Based Security Model in WCF, and it gives two main advantages to claims-based auth: more flexibility, and someone to "vouch" that the information in a claim is correct. When would you need either of those?
Claims-based authorization seems to be gaining popularity, so I assume there must be some good rationale for it; I just haven't figured out what that is yet. Can someone please provide a concrete example of a situation where claims-based auth works better than role-based, and why it works better in that case?
(EDIT: I missed a third benefit listed in the article: supporting single sign-on/federation. But doesn't authentication deal with that on its own without getting authorization involved?)
I guess the main promise of a benefit from federated security / claims-based system would be one fewer area you have to deal with different systems.
Imagine a site where you have local users authenticating with Windows credentials, a bunch of internet users using username/password, others using certificates, and maybe another group of users with biometric authentication.
In today's system, you have to set up and deal with all different kinds of authentication schemes and their different ways of doing things. That can get pretty messy.
The promise of a federated security solution would be to handle all those chores for you - the STS (security token server) would handle all different kinds of authentication systems for you, and present to you a uniform and trusted set of claims about a caller - no matter from where and on which path he's arriving at your site.
Of course, just examining and reacting to a single set of claims rather than having to understand four, five, ten different and disparate authentication systems looks like a really compelling promise to me!
The purpose of claims based authorization is to allow fine grained access control based on Boolean expressions that evaluate characteristics of the accessing entity and the resource. This reduces or eliminates the need to provision groups. As with federated identity, claims also provide a vehicle for an Identity provider to manage their users wile allowing a resource provider to gate users access to assets.
Note: Claims can be used within a single enterprise and provide the following benefits:
1) Access grants and revocations do not require provisioning or de-provisioning
2) Thus changes are instantaneous
3) Resource owners can define the scope and requirements for access rather than having admins create groups manage group memberships - this moves the access control decisions into the hands of the folks best suited to make such decisions (the data owner)
4) This results in fewer groups being required and fewer member in the groups
5) There can be issues creating a single group to accommodate a large community having access (for
example all full time employees can read a HR policy) - Claims avoids this problem
6) Audit is more informative - the reason a grant or deny took place is clearly visible
7) Claims support dynamic attributes, such as 2-factor authentication, time of day, or network restrictions
There are a lot more reasons, but those ones come to mind. There will shortly be a video at www.cionsystems.com that showcases this (disclaimer - I work there and recorded the video - I still need to post it) Also, for reference, claims aware apps and platforms include SharePoint 2010 on, Windows 2012 (file shares), Azure, many SaaS services (Facebook and Salesforce)
Also, with claims you can blend information from multiple sources (say Facebook and your local AD) etc. - which is increasingly important
Not sure if the rules allow this, but feel free to ping me with your questions or comments. I'll happily edit the post to make any corrections or add pertinent info.
Claims can come from AD, databases tables, SAML, OAuth, algorithms, XACML or any other trusted provider. Harnessing claims requires a bit of kit - with apps and platforms evolving rapidly in this space.
All the Best,
Paul
Claims-based access control also helps build up attribute-based access control and policy-based access control. If you standardize on a set of pre-agreed claims that can be assigned to users based on their other attributes (e.g. a US manager can have claim U_M; a European manager can have claim E_M).
In an attribute-based and policy-based environment, it's possible to achieve fine-grained authorization (also known as fine-grained entitlements) using XACML.
In this case, you can have authorization that depends on who the user is (claims) but also what they want to do (resource information) and under which circumstances (context).
CBAC with XACML will let you express rules like:
managers can edit notes they created themselves or notes that their
direct reports created.
Role based security is a limited security model
Authorization is:
Based on role membership only
Claims based security is much more flexible and expressive
Authorisation can be:
Based on role membership
Based on Age
Based on Geographic Location
Based on an account balance
Based on a size
Based on pre-defined securtiy levels
Based on any combination of the above