I have a piece of hardware that sends USB data over ethernet (only the data stored in the package will be send). On a remote PC the data is recieved via ethernet. How can I send this data to the USB driver so it translates the data into commands applications can use?
You're better off getting hardware that does the reciprocal, sends the IP-based USB information to the USB subsystem, rather than try and hack the software driver itself. I can't imagine your hardware vendor doesn't have a device that does this.
You need a server listening on whatever port/socket that you are trying to connect to. Twisted Matrix makes decent Python libraries for network communications.
I think this is going to be troublesome.
USB is generally set up to associate a driver with a connected device, based on the device's various ID numbers, as discovered during bus traversal.
Your data comes in over Ethernet, so the platform's USB driver stack won't know anything about the device in question. This means you somehow need to directly talk to the proper driver, and also get it prepared to handle events from a (from its point of view) non-connected device.
I can think of several reasons why even a well-designed USB stack won't handle this happily.
On Linux, you might be able to "cheat" by interpreting the data yourself and sending it on, using the same API:s the actual driver would have used. That won't work for any USB device of course, it requires you know what the device is.
It's doable on windows as well, but you need a lot of kernel/usb knowledge to make it work i don't think i will be wrong by estimating this task as few man years (you can reduce this estimation dramatically if you have a limited selection of devices/types of device to support.
You will need to develop a bus driver that will simulate the host controller driver to the native usb host, unfortunately this interface is not public and we did not managed to get MS cooperation on that.
There is additional option to work on hub level, instead on controller level, this interface is available, but i did not managed to find my notes on that.
You can download the evaluation version and investigate the driver stack it might give you a clue where to start.
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I recently acquired a Microchip EVB USB7252. I can use it as a USB hub. There are some pins on the board, and I have been looking for ways to use these as an interface between my computer and other devices (preferably my LCD screen).
So I got the IDE + compiler that is supposed to work for this product (MPLAB), but I could find no way to choose my model and get the correct target board.
I was hoping anybody (with likely more experience than me) could steer me in the right direction here. My only previous experience with dev boards is Arduino, where boards show up automatically as COM ports in the IDE. My ultimate goal here is to connect my peripherals to USB without using virtual COM-ports.
https://www.microchip.com/en-us/development-tool/EV33X03A
You can Try The IDE call "MPLAB" you said
and i think arduino CANT use "Microchip EVB USB7252"
So Try it And Good luck
It's a long way because USB is not easy protocol. You need to read USB specs first. Take a look at http://www.usb.org. Generally USB communicate between host and devices. There is special protocol used in this communication.
Perhaps the easiest way to do this will be using Linux and libusb or similar library. When you achieve some experience with this protocol you may be trying to write your own USB driver. I could also recommend to analyse some USB stacks like in Linux or in U-Boot one first.
If you have possibility then I'd also try to use some hardware/software USB protocol analyzers for some overview how does the communication look like.
I am a physicist, and I had a revelation a few weeks ago about how I might be able to use my personal computer to get much finer control over laboratory experiments than is typically the case. Before I ran off to try this out though, I wanted to check the feasibility with people who have more expertise than myself in such matters.
The idea is to use the i/o ports---VGA, ethernet, speaker jacks, etc.---on the computer to talk directly to the sensors and actuators in the experimental setup. E.g. cut open one side of an ethernet cable (with the other end attached to the computer) and send each line to a different device. I knew a postdoc who did something very similar using a BeagleBone. He wrote some assembly code that let him sync everything with the internal clock and used the GPIO pins to effectively give him a hybrid signal generator/scope that was completely programmable. It seems like the same thing should be possible with a laptop, and this would have the additional benefit that you can do data analysis from the same device.
The main potential difficulty that I foresee is that the hardware on a BeagleBone is designed with this sort of i/o in mind, whereas I expect the hardware on a laptop will probably be harder to control directly. I know for example (from some preliminary investigation, http://ask.metafilter.com/125812/Simple-USB-control-how-to-blink-an-LED-via-code) that USB ports will be difficult to access this way, and VGA is (according to VGA 15 pin port data read and write using Matlab) impossible. I haven't found anything about using other ports like ethernet or speaker jacks, though.
So the main question is: will this idea be feasible (without investing many months for each new variation of the hardware), and if so what type of i/o (ethernet, speaker jacks, etc.) is likely to be the best bet?
Auxiliary questions are:
Where can I find material to learn how I might go about executing this plan? I'm not even sure what keywords to plug in on Google.
Will the ease with which I can do this depend strongly on operating system or hardware brand?
The only cable I can think of for a pc that can get close to this would be a parallel printer cable which is pretty much gone away. It's a 25 wire cable that data is spread across so that it can send more data at the same time. I'm just not sure if you can target a specific line or if it's more of a left to right fill as data is sent.
To use one on a laptop today would definitely be difficult. You won't find any laptops with parallel ports. There are usb to parallel cables and serial to parallel cables but I would guess that the only control you would have it to the usb or serial interface and not the parallel.
As for Ethernet, you have 4 twisted pair with only 2 pair in use and 2 pair that are extra.
There's some hardware that available called Zwave that you might want to look into. Zwave will allow you to build a network of devices that communicate in a mesh. I'm not sure what kind of response time you need.
I actually just thought of something that might be a good solution. Check out security equipment. There's a lot of equipment available for pc's that monitor doors, windows, sensors, etc. That industry might what your looking for.
I think the easiest way would be to use the USB port as a Human Interface Device (HID) and using a custom built PIC program and a PIC that includes the USB functionality to encode the data to be sent to the computer and in that way be able to program it independently from the OS due to the fact that all mayor OS have the HID USB functionality.
Anyways if you used your MIC/VGA/HDMI whatever other port you still need a device to encode the data or transmit it, and another program inside the computer to decode that data being sent.
And remember that different hardware has different software (drivers) that might decode the raw data in other odd ways rendering your IO hardware dependent.
Hope this helps, but thats why the USB was invented in the first place to make it hardware and os independent.
What would be the best existing Linux device driver to use for a generic device that requires 2-way communication (custom protocol)? Preferably bulk transfer, as fairly large blocks will need to be transmitted.
I have considered using mass storage, but I'm unsure if it requires file system handling?
I have also considered modem, but I can't seem to find much information on it (most people who ask are just told that "This is not how you connect to the Internet". Since I'm not going to connect to any "internets" this is rather unhelpful to me). If anyone can point me to some more detailed information on this one, preferably with C or C++ examples, I'd be grateful.
Linux also seems to have a generic serial communications driver, though it does not seem to have bulk transfer? I am also unsure if it provides the speed of the other drivers, since it is apparently targeted at USB->serial converters?
Bulk transfer is the correct choice for large transfers "as fast as the device/PC can handle it".
Well you could get away with just CDC ACM profile. But this has some issues: You need the user to select the correct serial device /dev/ttyACMx.
If you only need to talk to your application, I recommend using libusb. This way you don't need a kernel driver, and you can talk to individual bulk endpoints of your device.
I have a device that came with an AC power adapter where the connector is a mini USB plug. The device however doesn't seem to power itself from a computer's USB port (using a standard USB-mini USB cable) unless a specific driver is installed. The driver is only available for Windows. I would like to charge the device from USB plugs on different platforms.
My question is: why isn't power getting to the device without the driver? Is a driver always required for a USB port to start giving power? Or is it this device that's specifically made not to take a charge unless some software routine triggers it to do so?
I guess my question can be summarized as: Is power not present on the USB cable or is it present but the device ignoring it. If the answer is the former, I'll be trying to figure out how to write software that will enable the voltage to always be present.
Thanks
Why isn't power getting to the device without the driver?
USB ports are always powered when the computer is on and the USB control software hasn't detected current overdraw.
Is a driver always required for a USB port to start giving power?
No, the USB port is always required to start off providing power to the device, otherwise the device could never initiate a connection.
Or is it this device that's specifically made not to take a charge unless some software routine triggers it to do so?
This can be complex. To meet the USB spec a device cannot pull more than a few mA until it's registered with the computer.
However, nearly every computer allows the USB port to pull the full 500mA (and more) before it'll shut the power off.
The device you're charging is being nice by not pulling any significant power until the computer gives permission.
Writing software won't help, the device has to register with the USB bus, which will best be done with the driver.
However, the plug in charger doesn't do that. It likely has shorted the two data lines of the USB plug together, which signals the USB device that it's not connected to a computer and can pull the full 500mA without waiting.
Take a USB extension cable, cut off the jacket, and short the data lines (green and yellow, sometimes) together on the end going to the USB device, and leave them cut without touching anything on the end going to the PC, and leave the read and black power wires connected through.
It might work. If not, take the wall charger apart and find out what it's doing with each of the four USB wires, and see if you can duplicate that.
This might be helpful if you are targeting a linux system.
This seems to be platform-specific. In Linux, USB ports are always energized, while on Windows they don't. Thumbdrives with LEDs turn off when unmounted in windows, but in Linux they stay lit. My cellphone's manual says that it can't be charged by a PC, but I regularly do on my linux machine, I guess that's because they don't have a driver and windows won't power up without one.
Have you tried plugging it into a 'dumb' USB port - like the one on a car charger? Those ports are pure power and don't create a USB network. I think.
Unless you have the hardware specs from the manufacturer, I think you are out of luck. You could try reverse engineering the driver to see what it does, but I'd expect it would be cheaper and easier just to buy one with cross platform drivers or charges without the driver.
I have been tasked to write a device driver for an embedded device which will communicate with the micro controller via the SPI interface. Eventually, the USB interface will be used to download updated code externally and used during the verification phase.
My question is, does anyone know of a good reference design or documentation or online tutorial which covers the implementation/design of the USB protocol stack/device driver within an embedded system? I am just starting out and reading through the 650 page USB v2.0 spec is a little daunting at the moment.
Just as a FYI, the micro controller that I am using is a Freescale 9S12.
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Based upon goldenmean's (-AD) comments I wanted to add the following info:
1) The embedded device uses a custom executive and makes no use of a COTS or RTOS.
2) The device will use interrupts to indicate data is ready to be retrieved from the device.
3) I have read through some of the docs regarding Linux, but since I am not at all familiar with Linux it isn't very helpful at the moment (though I am hoping it will be very quickly).
4) The design approach, for now at least, it to write a device driver for the USB device then a USB protocol layer (I/O) would reside on top of the device driver to interpret the data. I would assume this would be the best approach, though I could be wrong.
Edit - A year later
I just wanted to share a few items before they vanish from my mind in case I never work on a USB device again. I ran into a few obstacles when developing code and getting it up and running for the first.
The first problem I ran into was that when the USB device was connected to the Host (Windows in my case) was the host issues a Reset request. The USB device would reset and clear the interrupt enable flags. I didn't read the literature enough to know this was happening, thus I was never receiving the Set-Up Request Interrupt. It took me quite a while to figure this out.
The second problem I ran into was not handling the Set-Up Request for Set_Configuration properly. I was handling it, but I was not processing the request correctly in that the USB device was not sending an ACK when this Set-Up Request came in. I eventually found this out by using a hardware USB protocol analyzer.
There were other issues that I ran into, but these were the two biggest ones that took me quite a while to figure out. The other issue I had to worry about is big-endian and little-endian, Freescale 9S12 vs USB data format (Intel), respectively.
I ended up building the USB device driver similar to UART device drivers I had done in the past. I have posted the code to this at the following URL.
http://lordhog.wordpress.com/2010/12/13/usb-drive
I tend to use structures a lot, so people may not like them since they are not as portal as using #defines (e.g., MAX3420_SETUP_DATA_AVAIL_INT_REQR 0x20), but I like them since it makes the code more readable for me. If anyone has questions regarding it please feel free to e-mail and I can try to give some insight to it. The book "USB Complete: The Developer's Guide" was helpful, so long as you knew what areas to concentrate on. This was a simple application and only used low-speed USB.
While writing a device driver for any interface (USB, Parallel port, etc...) the code needed to be developed would depend upon whether there is any Operating System(OS), RTOS running on that Processor/Micro controller.
e.g. if thats going to run say WinCE - It will have its own Driver development Kit , and steps to be followed in the device driver development. Same for any other OS like Linux, symbian.
If its going to be a plain firmware code(No OS) which is going to control the processor/microcontroller, then it's a different situation altogether.
So based on either of the above situation u are in, one needs to read & understand:-
1.) The Hardware Specification of the processor/micro controller development board - Register files, ports, memory layout, etc.
2.) USB spec
3.) Couple of pointers i found quickly. Google shud be ur friend!
http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/Par/arch/usb/usbdoc/ - Linux USB device driver
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/wce/support/usbce.mspx
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I've used an earlier edition of USB Complete by Jan Axelson. Indeed very complete.
From the editorial review:
Now in its fourth edition, this developer's guide to the Universal Serial Bus (USB) interface covers all aspects of project development, such as hardware design, device firmware, and host application software.
I'm curious, why did you pick the 9S12? I used it at a previous job, and was not pleased.
It had lousy gcc support so we used Metrowerks
which may have been okay for C, but often generated buggy C++
had a lousy IDE with binary project files!
The 9s12 was also slow, a lot of instructions executed in 5 cycles.
Not very power efficient, either.
no barrel shifter, made operations that are common in embedded code slow
not that cheap.
About the only thing I dislike more is an 8051. I'm using an ARM CortexM3 at my current job, it's better than a 9S12 in every way (faster clock, more work done per clock, less power consumption, cheaper, good gcc support, 32-bit vs. 16-bit).
I don't know which hardware you're planning to use but assuming that's flexible, STMicro offers a line of microcontrollers with USB/SPI support and a library of C-code that can be used with their parts. -- I've used their ARM7 series micros for years with great success.
Here is an excellent site maintained by Jonathan Valvano, a professor at the University of Texas. He teaches four courses over there (three undergraduate, one graduate), all are about using a 9S12 microcontroller. His site contains all the lecture notes, lab manuals, and more importantly, starter files, that he uses for all his classes.
The website looks like it's from the 90's, but just dig around a bit and you should find everything you need.
users.ece.utexas.edu/~valvano/
Consider AVR for your next MCU project because of it's wonderful LUFA and V-USB libraries.
I'm working on a project using the Atmel V71. The processor is very powerful and among lot's of high end connectivity offered on chip is a USB engine that will do device or host modes for 480 Mhz or 48Mhz (not USB 3.0). The tools are free and come with a number of host and device USB example projects with all the USB stack code right there. It supports 10 end points and all the transfers are done via DMA so you have most of the processor horsepower available for other tasks. The Atmel USB stack works without needing an RTOS