I have a system where there are large dataset(s) where I want to have quick searches, and elastic search is suitable for it. So the data resides in SQL, and is synced to ES. There is an obvious small delay in this sync.
There are consumers of this data which could work with slightly stale data. So if there's an API for UI which end users use to see the dataset. A delay of 3-4 seconds is acceptable. So API handler which deals with ES is perfect here.
Then there are consumers of this data (bots) who want to work with real time data. So for the almost same requirements, should I create another API just like that in UI consumer, which gets data from SQL?
What is the usual best practice which is followed, and I'm assuming this is a very common usecase.
You probably should stick to creating just a sinlge API and use a query string parameter to decide which of the two data sources to use. This will result in less code to maintain.
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I see, that by using RethinkDB connector one can achieve real time querying capabilites by subscribing into specifically named lists. I assume, that this is not actually the fastest solution, as the query probably updates only after changes to records are written to the database. Is there any recommended approach to achieve realtime querying capabilites deepstream-side?
There are some favourable properties like:
Number of unique queries is small compared to number of records or even number of connected clients
All manipulation of records that are subject to querying is done via RPC.
I can imagine multiple ways how to do that:
Imitate the rethinkdb connector approach. But for that I am missing a list.listen() method. With that I would be able to create a backend process creating a list on-demand and on each RPC CRUD operation on records update all currently active lists=queries.
Reimplement basic list functionality in records and use the above approach with now existing .listen()
Use .listen() in events?
Or do we have list.listen() and I just missed it? Or there is more elegant way how to do it?
Great question - generally lists are a client-side concept, implemented on top of records. Listen notifies you about clients subscribing to records, not necessarily changing them - change notifications arrive via mylist.subscribe(data => {}) or myRecord.subscribe(data => {}).
The tricky bit is the very limited querying capability of caches. Redis has a basic concept of secondary indices that can be searched for ranges and intersection, memcached and co are to my knowledge pure key-value stores, searchable only by ID - as a result the actual querying would make most sense on the database layer where your data will usually arrive in significantly less than 200ms.
The RethinkDB search provider offers support for RethinkDB's built in realtime querying capabilites. Alternatively you could use MongoDB and trail its operations log or use PostGres and deepstream's built in subscribe feature for change notifications.
I've large number of messages in a keen collection and want to expose them to our end users through pagination using an api. Is it possible to specify offset like queries in Keen ?
We earlier had tradition database so were able to support above operations and thinking to shift to Keen because of it's easier analysis capabilities.
It's not possible to paginate extractions.
We created the Extractions API to allow you to get your event data out of Keen IO any time you like. It's your data and we believe that you should always have full access to it! Think of extractions as a way to export data rather than a way to query it and you'll begin to understand how extractions are intended to be used.
Keen is great at collecting and analyzing data, but it's not great at being a database. You will struggle to provide the user experience your users deserve if you attempt to use extractions in a real-time user facing manner. Our recommendation for a use case like yours is to add a database layer that stores your entity data somewhere outside of Keen. Augment that entity data with the results of your queries from Keen and you'll be all set.
I hope this helps!
Terry's advice is sound, but if you can live with an approximation of pagination than consider making multiple requests with non-overlapping timeframes.
For example, if you wanted to paginate over an hour's worth of data you could issue extractions over 1 minute of data at a time until you reach the desired page size. You would keep track of where you left off to load the next "page", and so forth.
I'm creating a RESTful web service (in Golang) which pulls a set of rows from the database and returns it to a client (smartphone app or web application). The service needs to be able to provide paging. The only problem is this data is sorted on a regularly changing "computed" column (for example, the number of "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" a piece of content on a website has), so rows can jump around page numbers in between a client's request.
I've looked at a few PostgreSQL features that I could potentially use to help me solve this problem, but nothing really seems to be a very good solution.
Materialized Views: to hold "stale" data which is only updated every once in a while. This doesn't really solve the problem, as the data would still jump around if the user happens to be paging through the data when the Materialized View is updated.
Cursors: created for each client session and held between requests. This seems like it would be a nightmare if there are a lot of concurrent sessions at once (which there will be).
Does anybody have any suggestions on how to handle this, either on the client side or database side? Is there anything I can really do, or is an issue such as this normally just remedied by the clients consuming the data?
Edit: I should mention that the smartphone app is allowing users to view more pieces of data through "infinite scrolling", so it keeps track of it's own list of data client-side.
This is a problem without a perfectly satisfactory solution because you're trying to combine essentially incompatible requirements:
Send only the required amount of data to the client on-demand, i.e. you can't download the whole dataset then paginate it client-side.
Minimise amount of per-client state that the server must keep track of, for scalability with large numbers of clients.
Maintain different state for each client
This is a "pick any two" kind of situation. You have to compromise; accept that you can't keep each client's pagination state exactly right, accept that you have to download a big data set to the client, or accept that you have to use a huge amount of server resources to maintain client state.
There are variations within those that mix the various compromises, but that's what it all boils down to.
For example, some people will send the client some extra data, enough to satisfy most client requirements. If the client exceeds that, then it gets broken pagination.
Some systems will cache client state for a short period (with short lived unlogged tables, tempfiles, or whatever), but expire it quickly, so if the client isn't constantly asking for fresh data its gets broken pagination.
Etc.
See also:
How to provide an API client with 1,000,000 database results?
Using "Cursors" for paging in PostgreSQL
Iterate over large external postgres db, manipulate rows, write output to rails postgres db
offset/limit performance optimization
If PostgreSQL count(*) is always slow how to paginate complex queries?
How to return sample row from database one by one
I'd probably implement a hybrid solution of some form, like:
Using a cursor, read and immediately send the first part of the data to the client.
Immediately fetch enough extra data from the cursor to satisfy 99% of clients' requirements. Store it to a fast, unsafe cache like memcached, Redis, BigMemory, EHCache, whatever under a key that'll let me retrieve it for later requests by the same client. Then close the cursor to free the DB resources.
Expire the cache on a least-recently-used basis, so if the client doesn't keep reading fast enough they have to go get a fresh set of data from the DB, and the pagination changes.
If the client wants more results than the vast majority of its peers, pagination will change at some point as you switch to reading direct from the DB rather than the cache or generate a new bigger cached dataset.
That way most clients won't notice pagination issues and you don't have to send vast amounts of data to most clients, but you won't melt your DB server. However, you need a big boofy cache to get away with this. Its practical depends on whether your clients can cope with pagination breaking - if it's simply not acceptable to break pagination, then you're stuck with doing it DB-side with cursors, temp tables, coping the whole result set at first request, etc. It also depends on the data set size and how much data each client usually requires.
I am not aware of a perfect solution for this problem. But if you want the user to have a stale view of the data then cursor is the way to go. Only tuning you can do is to store only the data for 1st 2 pages in the cursor. Beyond that you fetch it again.
I'm considering MongoDB right now. Just so the goal is clear here is what needs to happen:
In my app, Finch (finchformac.com for details) I have thousands and thousands of entries per day for each user of what window they had open, the time they opened it, the time they closed it, and a tag if they choose one for it. I need this data to be backed up online so it can sync to their other Mac computers, etc.. I also need to be able to draw charts online from their data which means some complex queries hitting hundreds of thousands of records.
Right now I have tried using Ruby/Rails/Mongoid in with a JSON parser on the app side sending up data in increments of 10,000 records at a time, the data is processed to other collections with a background mapreduce job. But, this all seems to block and is ultimately too slow. What recommendations does (if anyone) have for how to go about this?
You've got a complex problem, which means you need to break it down into smaller, more easily solvable issues.
Problems (as I see it):
You've got an application which is collecting data. You just need to
store that data somewhere locally until it gets sync'd to the
server.
You've received the data on the server and now you need to shove it
into the database fast enough so that it doesn't slow down.
You've got to report on that data and this sounds hard and complex.
You probably want to write this as some sort of API, for simplicity (and since you've got loads of spare processing cycles on the clients) you'll want these chunks of data processed on the client side into JSON ready to import into the database. Once you've got JSON you don't need Mongoid (you just throw the JSON into the database directly). Also you probably don't need rails since you're just creating a simple API so stick with just Rack or Sinatra (possibly using something like Grape).
Now you need to solve the whole "this all seems to block and is ultimately too slow" issue. We've already removed Mongoid (so no need to convert from JSON -> Ruby Objects -> JSON) and Rails. Before we get onto doing a MapReduce on this data you need to ensure it's getting loaded into the database quickly enough. Chances are you should architect the whole thing so that your MapReduce supports your reporting functionality. For sync'ing of data you shouldn't need to do anything but pass the JSON around. If your data isn't writing into your DB fast enough you should consider Sharding your dataset. This will probably be done using some user-based key but you know your data schema better than I do. You need choose you sharding key so that when multiple users are sync'ing at the same time they will probably be using different servers.
Once you've solved Problems 1 and 2 you need to work on your Reporting. This is probably supported by your MapReduce functions inside Mongo. My first comment on this part, is to make sure you're running at least Mongo 2.0. In that release 10gen sped up MapReduce (my tests indicate that it is substantially faster than 1.8). Other than this you can can achieve further increases by Sharding and directing reads to the the Secondary servers in your Replica set (you are using a Replica set?). If this still isn't working consider structuring your schema to support your reporting functionality. This lets you use more cycles on your clients to do work rather than loading your servers. But this optimisation should be left until after you've proven that conventional approaches won't work.
I hope that wall of text helps somewhat. Good luck!
I'm currently working in a Silverlight / MS SQL project where the Entity Framework has not been implemented and I would like to know what's the best practice to deal with calculated fields in this particular situation.
Considering that some external system might also consume my data directly in the DB or thru a web service, here's the 3 options I can see right now.
1) Force any external system to consume data thru a web service and create all the calculated fields in the objects only.
2) Create the calculated fields in a DB view and resync your object with the server each time a value needs to be calculated.
3) Replicate the calculation rules in the object and the database view.
Any other suggestions would also be welcomed.
I would recommend to follow two principles: data decoupling and minimum functionality duplication. Both would suggest to put your calculations in one place only, and serve them already calculated. So I would implement the calculations in the DB, and serve them via a web service.
However, you have to consider your particular case. For example, if the calculations are VERY heavy, you could delegate them to the client to spare server resources. This could even be the reason you are using Silverlight. I am in a similar situation on a project, and I found that the best compromise is to push raw data to the client and have it do the heavy computations.
Having a best practice or approach for this kind of problem is difficult as circumstances change what was formerly a good approach might start to seem less useful. That said where possible I would do anything data related at the DB level including calculated fields. This way you know no matter where you are looking at the data from you will see the same results. So your web service, SQL reporting and anything else that needs to look at or receive data will see the same result.